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qwert_yuiop

NI22 wrote: »

Ethnic minorities are part of our strategy. Sinn Fein have roped them in and provided innumerable electoral support to them. They go to Catholic schools and worship in Catholic churches. 95% of immigrants are Catholics and none to my knowledge are Prods.

Apparently estonians and latvians are. However, the burgeoning chinese, hindu and muslim populations as well as large numbers of africans patently are not catholic, even if you seem to have missed them. So it's off to the concentration camp with those types?

Now is this avowed sinn fein policy? It hasn't been on any election material stuffed through my door in recent years. Perhaps it's some 3rd secret of fatima type of policy revealed only to those who know the right handshake, or language even. Do you believe you can cultivate the ghastly level of fury, hatred and resentment in the minds of the children of immigrants as your parents did in yours? It might take a lot of work, but no doubt you can achieve that while their mothers tell them Jesus told us to love our neighbours. Nah, man - those children are foreigners who happen to be catholic - their families won't see any need to get wound up in your bigotries and fantasies - and they'll see plenty of need to avoid it. Strange - I used to hear some line "Ireland for the Irish" when I was a boy. How would you say that in Lithuanian?

I used to hear this sort of chac from bigots when I was at queen's. That sort invariably saw the light, emigrated and ended up married to english girls and living in suburbia, their youthful delusions an embarrassing memory.

qwert_yuiop

It seems that the children of portuguese immigrants in the dungannon area were given a leg up in the transfer test recently as they come from disadvantaged homes - that is, homes where english is not spoken. This means indigenous catholic kids missed out on a place in st pat's academy because they speak english at home (yea, english, not irish). How's that tie in with your grand strategy? How's that make you feel, NI22?

warmhands.coldheart

NI22 wrote: »

Ethnic minorities are part of our strategy. Sinn Fein have roped them in and provided innumerable electoral support to them. They go to Catholic schools and worship in Catholic churches. 95% of immigrants are Catholics and none to my knowledge are Prods.

Well I would agree, one thing Sinn Fein are good at is trying to come across as all welcoming and indeed they get a lot of "Sympathy" voting for it.... Shame they have the understanding of Economics and Business of a cockroach !!. Wouldn't matter if you're in the North or South. you'd be living in an impoverished socialist state/country if they were in charge....... Funny how this big €400 Million in lost benefits per year they have been bandying about for years has now been poo-pooed and it's been found out this was NEVER the case and it's more like €80million over 3/4 years..... GENIOUS !!

And as for the Catholic Faith... Well it's well known it's in decline... In 1984, nearly 90 percent of Irish Catholics went to Mass every week. But by 2011, only 18 percent did.
As for their teachings... well do as I say, not as I do... wasn't it around 1992 when it was found that the most powerful and beloved bishop, Eamon Casey, had a fathered a son??
That was followed by the news that the Rev. Michael Cleary, the "Singing Priest" (well renowned with best-selling records and his own radio show) had a secret family with his housekeeper. Then of course there was the very priestly sex-abuse scandals that horrified the entire country. The 2009 Ryan Report found that thousands of children were savagely raped or molested in catholic church run homes, while thousands more were beaten and starved and forced to work. How VERY Christian of them........ and YET the Vatican, the Top Dogs, the shining lights of the church in the world protect the perpetrators..... Bit of an own goal really.... It's a massive cultural shift.... All those "over friendly" priests have done more harm to the catholic church than any English King or Queen has in centuries...
Ireland will, like the UK and most other parts of the developed world, become a secular country within the next 30~40 years so I wouldn't hold your breath for a nice little United Catholic Ireland... but you might get a secular one ....!

qwert_yuiop

It's not the economic aspects of ni22's thinking that intrigues me. It's the overt hatred. I'm looking forward to the next instalment which should be along soon, although he might think better of it.
I wouldn't be so sure about secularism - and I'm waiting to see how his wonderful new nation is going to deal with the Muslims. After all if prods don't fit in simply because they ended up on the wrong side in the reformation, what hope for anyone else?


Anyway, it's 1982 all over again and Northern Ireland are on their way to their first major championship since I was a boy! Kyle lafferty - what a player.

lazer

NI22 wrote: »

I doubt if Prods would want to stay in a UI and we certainly wouldn't want them there. It was suggested once that the North be repartioned to move Derry, Tyrone and Fermanagh to Ireland. I suppose during the staggering period Prods could move into Antrim, Armagh and Down or even out of Ireland altogether.

I think most people who support a United Ireland are perfectly happy for all religions to live here.
The protestants live quite happily down south.


I want the British army, British government bodies, etc all out, but the Protestant people are more then welcome to stay.

warmhands.coldheart

lazer wrote: »

I think most people who support a United Ireland are perfectly happy for all religions to live here.
The protestants live quite happily down south.


I want the British army, British government bodies, etc all out, but the Protestant people are more then welcome to stay.

The whole "religion" thing is a side show when it comes to a United Ireland... Hollow nationalist rhetoric will not do..... At the end of the day it'll be all down to CASH !!!! COLD HARD CASH !!! Can the Republic Afford Unity.??
Personally I think not.... (And I think many, both north and south of the border, are to be convinced)
I think those who wish for Unity as soon as possible should think long and hard about what they wish for, they could well regret it in the long run !!!

Edit.
Remember A staggering 65% of Northern Ireland's GDP is accounted for by public service expenditure. This compares with around 34% in the Republic of Ireland. that's a LOT of redundancies !!
The UK Treasury subsidises Northern Ireland to the tune of about £10Billion per year.... Money doesn't grow on trees !!

qwert_yuiop

lazer wrote: »

I think most people who support a United Ireland are perfectly happy for all religions to live here.
The protestants live quite happily down south.


I want the British army, British government bodies, etc all out, but the Protestant people are more then welcome to stay.

Well, there's a voice of decency. Good morning to you.

Rage free zone today, I hope.

qwert_yuiop

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

The whole "religion" thing is a side show when it comes to a United Ireland... Hollow nationalist rhetoric will not do..... At the end of the day it'll be all down to CASH !!!! COLD HARD CASH !!! Can the Republic Afford Unity.??
Personally I think not.... (And I think many, both north and south of the border, are to be convinced)
I think those who wish for Unity as soon as possible should think long and hard about what they wish for, they could well regret it in the long run !!!

Well, there was never any question of a united ireland being a better choice economically in the past, indeed the population drift was always to the north, and even now, the population of nordies (yea, that's what they call us) down there is tiny. Still, loads of people have always favoured it right from 1921. No doubt some had NI22's ideas in mind, where wealth would follow from grabbing the neighbour's land once he'd been subjected to population transfer (ethnically cleansed).

Cotta

lazer wrote: »

The protestants live quite happily down south.

Apart from when their churches and Orange halls are attacked, apart from when the Catholic church had a stranglehold and refused to recognise the Protestant religion (does it even do this now?). I know of many Protestants in the ROI who would like a Unionist political party but fear an enormous backlash from their Catholic neighbours if one was to be formed.

The ROI has a long way to go yet.

NI22

Cotta wrote: »

Apart from when their churches and Orange halls are attacked, apart from when the Catholic church had a stranglehold and refused to recognise the Protestant religion (does it even do this now?). I know of many Protestants in the ROI who would like a Unionist political party but fear an enormous backlash from their Catholic neighbours if one was to be formed.

The ROI has a long way to go yet.

If you bothered reading what I wrote of the narrative regarding a UI you will see that there will not be provisions for Protestantism within it. As happened before when Britian illegally kept the black six, Protestants left in their droves from what is now known as the Republic. Most of those who chose to stay converted, a foolish bigoted minority refused but thankfully married Catholics and then made the switch. These options will again be available when Ireland is one once again. I have no problem at all with people practicing Protestantism in England, Wales or Scotland - Ireland is our country and we intend to see that it stays that way.