We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide

Lloyds PPI - loan protection insurance loan

Hi,
I have been looking to claim PPI from Lloyds as it's never felt right that in 2004 I was asked to make an appointment about my finances then basically coerced into consolidating my debts. This included PPI that I 'had to have' because the loan was for £25000.

I have found a statement from the loan that was fully paid in 2012 with no arrears despite a major job change in 2011 but my savings and company redundancy policy meant I was always going to meet payments.

The statement is broken down at the start into a loan of £21000 and then a Loan Protection Loan of £4386.01.

The wording of this 'loan protection loan' confuses me? Is this one of those single premium policies? Was the PPI calculated in full then added to my loan repayments as a regular monthly repayment? Is this a good enough reason to claim? I don't know how PPI is normally calculated or added to repayments but is it wrong the way the PPI was done? It's all very confusing, I was coerced into it, I had savings and a very good sickness and redundancy package and I think the PPI itself is dodgy.

Can anyone confirm or deny my PPI concerns?

Thanks

Comments

  • amersall
    amersall Posts: 17,037 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    If you paid the loan in one monthly payment and not a separate monthly payment for the PPI, this is Single Premium PPI and a reason you can also use for mis sell, this is in effect, a loan on the loan to term end with interest, if the loan was settled early you would have received a rebate of the PPI but would have repaid the remaining PPI back in the settlement figure.
  • batesy2000
    batesy2000 Posts: 48 Forumite
    edited 4 October 2014 at 8:39PM
    So, this is me being dumb. The fact the PPI wasn't a separate payment makes it missold. That's good to know but I'm curious as to why that's considered a mis-selling? Why was it wrong for lloyds to do that?

    Oh is it still a reason even with the loan now repaid?
  • Nasqueron
    Nasqueron Posts: 11,411 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    I think the layman's view (I include myself in that) is basically because the PPI is added to the loan you end up paying interest on that as well as the loan, meaning it costs you much more in the long run (and quite possible the cover will end before your loan does)

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 26,612 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Nasqueron wrote: »
    the PPI is added to the loan you end up paying interest on that as well as the loan, meaning it costs you much more in the long run (and quite possible the cover will end before your loan does)
    Lloyds PPI does payout until the conclusion of the loan and it's actually very rare for the policies to end before the finance.

    However, as you say, PPI "front loaded" onto a loan will involve an additional loan of the total amount of PPI being added to the overall loan total and extra interest being added as a result. So the monthly payments the consumer makes towards the costs of the insurance aren’t actually insurance premiums – they’re additional loan repayments (and interest).

    Most complaints about single premium PPI are still upheld by FOS.
  • Nasqueron
    Nasqueron Posts: 11,411 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    Ah OK thanks, I thought I had read somewhere these policies often ended after 5 years regardless of how long the loan was, maybe I misread :)

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 26,612 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Nasqueron wrote: »
    I thought I had read somewhere these policies often ended after 5 years regardless of how long the loan was
    Some did, like policies from First Plus, but the vast majority covered the entire loan period (unless there was a default).
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 354.5K Banking & Borrowing
  • 254.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 455.4K Spending & Discounts
  • 247.4K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 604.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 178.5K Life & Family
  • 261.7K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.