running and hydratation

FBaby

I haven't tried the banana before, my OH does, so will try this too.

Re the knees, so right about the shoes! I did go for a professional assessment last month when I realised it was time to invest in a proper pair. The assessment was positive as I supposedly have a good running position and not as much underpronation as I thought! I tried many different pairs and ended up with the ON cloudsurfer. I love them!

Unfortunately, my knee problem is chronic. Seen physio etc... It is ok until I start trekking going up and down, especially in stepping motions. Problem is I love hill walks and we did a 5 hours one on our holiday which brought on the problem again. Last time, it went away after 2 months of ibuprofen, continuing to run/cycle, but more gently, so I am crossing fingers that it will heal again in time and staying away from hills!

G_Model101

I usually run a midweek 12-13M run without any water. If I'm doing any further than that then I'll either bring a bag with some water and a bananna in it or some cash to get something en route.

gleek1

Ach that's a bummer about the knees - especially if you like hill walking. Did you see an NHS physio or a private sports one? I just posted on another thread actually that I went to see a private one that really just deals with sport and he gave me some excellent exercises which haven't cured my knee issues but which does keep them at bay - though since my new shoes I don't really need them any more! Whenever I have gone to my doc about pain from running or exercising they have usually been sympathetic but nothing more than that really!

So I can give you a tip on what not to do after yesterday's run. had a session of 5 x 1.2km at 30s faster than 10K race pace with 3min jog in between. I had to go out later in the day as was busy in the morning. Lunch was left over tuna pasta from the previous night - quite a hefty portion at that too. I left it 2.5 hours or so before going out.....probably should have left it a little longer!!! I was quite surprised I didn't spew, but did get a kicker of a stitch towards the end of the session.

I was reflecting on the nutrition thing, and whilst the longer I have been running, the need to go to the loo mid run has lessened - the urge to spew when I am working really hard hasn't!!! I have 10 miles this Sunday - I think I am going to take the fitsip...i wonder it filling it with gin and tonic would make the whole thing a bit more bearable ..:-)

gleek1

GModel - that is a long session without water - but if that is your midweek run then I am guessing that you run longer at the weekend and that you are probably much faster than me so you probably are doing 13 miles where I am doing 9!!!

I think that as you get better and used to doing longer distances you can go for longer, and, probably related, as you get faster it takes you less time to do the distance, so you are OK without fuel. I find that running - no matter how fast I am - I am out of energy at 1hr40ish so I do try to plan for that! Not having anything makes the last 2 uphill miles of all my long runs really really really hard! I console myself with the fact that the hard bits make you tougher...!!!

Chatalouge

FBaby wrote: »

thanks chatalouge. I have a camelback, but that's for cycling, maybe they do lighter ones for running? I'll look into this too.

Well sunday run did went well from a hydratation perspective, 13kms and didn't feel the need for water, so the evening and few hours before worked well. Unfortunately, my knees are playing up again and the run became very painful halfway, so will now need to give it a rest for a few weeks

FBaby wrote: »

I haven't tried the banana before, my OH does, so will try this too.

Re the knees, so right about the shoes! I did go for a professional assessment last month when I realised it was time to invest in a proper pair. The assessment was positive as I supposedly have a good running position and not as much underpronation as I thought! I tried many different pairs and ended up with the ON cloudsurfer. I love them!

Unfortunately, my knee problem is chronic. Seen physio etc... It is ok until I start trekking going up and down, especially in stepping motions. Problem is I love hill walks and we did a 5 hours one on our holiday which brought on the problem again. Last time, it went away after 2 months of ibuprofen, continuing to run/cycle, but more gently, so I am crossing fingers that it will heal again in time and staying away from hills!

Camelbak do marathon vests for running, they are about £60. I just saw about your knees. Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? You will find if you specifically target the quads, glutes and hamstrings you will ease pain from your knees. Most strengthening excercises can be done indoors too

FBaby

Ach that's a bummer about the knees - especially if you like hill walking. Did you see an NHS physio or a private sports one? I just posted on another thread actually that I went to see a private one that really just deals with sport and he gave me some excellent exercises which haven't cured my knee issues but which does keep them at bay - though since my new shoes I don't really need them any more! Whenever I have gone to my doc about pain from running or exercising they have usually been sympathetic but nothing more than that really!

Yes, it was a sport physio and she was brilliant. Well as it is, I went running on the treadmill on Thursday (at least I can get off when the pain comes on without worrying about coming back home) and I managed 10K with no pain at all, so was very please. I decided to do a short run this morning and to my surprise, I kept going and going (another route, so more exciting) and beat my record so far, 21kms. This is a massive boost as I can now believe that I will be able to do a half marathon soon, especially as I felt I could have kept going if.... I had drank something and/or had a gel.

Still managed 2h10mns with no drink and didn't feel dehydrated until the very end, which I put down to the perfect temperature outside and two large glasses before I went. I still ended up with the aftermath headache despite drinking when I got back, but it's not so bad.

knees held until 15kms, then appeared out of the blue for 2kms and then disappeared again to return an hour after I got home. I finally gathered that I can heal gradually whilst still running, but it is cycling that I have to give up until the pain is totally gone.

I have 10 miles this Sunday - I think I am going to take the fitsip...i wonder it filling it with gin and tonic would make the whole thing a bit more bearable ..:-)

Good luck tomorrow, not sure about the gin and tonic would do to good, might help the first 5 miles, but can't imagine recovering from the last 5!!

Camelbak do marathon vests for running, they are about £60.

Thank you for this, I'm going to google it. I've never seen anyone with one on their back though, is it because most people don't run long enough to require one?

Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? You will find if you specifically target the quads, glutes and hamstrings you will ease pain from your knees. Most strengthening excercises can be done indoors too

Yeah, I think I need to do more of that, I am not too keen on exercise which I find boring, but I need to get it into a routine. Your advice is exactly what my physio said so I need to start paying attention

FBaby

G_Model101 wrote: »

I usually run a midweek 12-13M run without any water. If I'm doing any further than that then I'll either bring a bag with some water and a bananna in it or some cash to get something en route.

Do you always planned how long you are going to run? I thought I would only do a shorter one today, and started with quite heavy legs, but after about 6kms, I suddenly felt quite good (a favourite song came on my ipod) and before I knew it, I had got into a rythm and felt I could keep going for much longer.

Indie_Kid

FBaby wrote: »

Thank you for this, I'm going to google it. I've never seen anyone with one on their back though, is it because most people don't run long enough to require one?

I think it's more because they've been running for years and have worked out their hydration and so, need very little during races.

G_Model101

FBaby wrote: »

Do you always planned how long you are going to run? I thought I would only do a shorter one today, and started with quite heavy legs, but after about 6kms, I suddenly felt quite good (a favourite song came on my ipod) and before I knew it, I had got into a rythm and felt I could keep going for much longer.

I think you've got to be flexible really and know your own body. I tend to run a set route for my 12-13M runs, if I'm feeling tired or stiff, then I just won't do the loop at the end and will cut it a bit shorter.
I had loads to drink on the marathon yesterday, but also ended up going to the loo a million times. But it's nice to just pour the water over your head if you don't want to drink it when at the water stations!

Indie_Kid

G_Model101 wrote: »

But it's nice to just pour the water over your head if you don't want to drink it when at the water stations!

It's all you need sometimes.