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  • legoman62
    legoman62 Posts: 5,105 Forumite
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    edited 19 September 2014 at 4:55PM
    Sorry all, here is another query.


    I have been offered a 16 x 250 watt system, i.e. 4,000 watts.


    Alongside this I have been offered a Solaredge 2200 inverter.




    The data for the inverter indicates a maximum DC input of 2400 watts and an AC output of 2200 watts.


    Is there a problem here?


    They may mean the SE2200 - SE6000 range

    Could have have quoted wrong inverter. Give them a call.

    Look here;)

    http://www.solaredge.com/files/pdfs/products/inverters/se-single-phase-inverter-datasheet.pdf
    16 Sanyo Hit 250s.4kWp SMA 3.8kWp inverter. SW roof. 28° pitch. Minimal shade. Nov 2011 install. Hybrid car. Ripple Kirk Hill. N.E Lincs Coast.
  • tunnel
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    High Sterling,


    Tell them to quote you on this one
    Solar Edge 3680W 1ph Inverter 16A

    and if they need a link to see for themselves http://www.swithenbanks.co.uk/Solar_Photovoltaic_Equipment/12858/Solar_Edge_3680W_1ph_Inverter_16A.html


    That should see it right for you
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire17.7kWh Givenergy battery added(for the power hungry kids)
  • Martyn1981
    Martyn1981 Posts: 15,651 Forumite
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    Sorry all, here is another query.

    I have been offered a 16 x 250 watt system, i.e. 4,000 watts.

    Alongside this I have been offered a Solaredge 2200 inverter.

    The data for the inverter indicates a maximum DC input of 2400 watts and an AC output of 2200 watts.

    Is there a problem here?

    Almost certainly.

    Hiya Sterling. Firstly, playing devil's advocate, your 2 panel arrangements won't peak at the same time, as they face in different directions. So expect peaks to be lower than a 4kWp system with a single orientation .......

    however ..... the SE2200 sounds seriously undersized for your set up (I have a SE2200 on my 2kWp WNW system).

    Now, for some boring numbers/guesses! My 5.58kWp system peaks (sustained peak, not short peaks) at about 4.2kW in really good conditions, when the sun is high and to the south, and is shining on all panels, though not perfectly.

    4.2kW is a 75% ratio to the whole system, but my panels are 180d apart, whilst yours would only be 90d, so I'd expect your peak to be a little higher in percentage terms, when the sun is southish and hitting all panels with a reasonably good attack angle. So sustained peaks of more than 3kW. So as suggested above, you probably want/need 3.5kW or 4kW (3.68kW capped) for best compromise.

    Probably a mistake in the quote, but if not, the price difference should only be around £150 - I think?

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 28kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • theboylard
    theboylard Posts: 1,211 Forumite
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    tunnel wrote: »
    High Sterling,


    Tell them to quote you on this one
    Solar Edge 3680W 1ph Inverter 16A

    and if they need a link to see for themselves http://www.swithenbanks.co.uk/Solar_Photovoltaic_Equipment/12858/Solar_Edge_3680W_1ph_Inverter_16A.html


    That should see it right for you

    Have you seen the package prices lately on Swithenbanks?!

    Don't forget the prices are retail, but if you looked at http://www.swithenbanks.co.uk/Solar_Photovoltaic_Equipment/1133046/16_X_250W_Pantile_All_Black_Mono_System.html , for an ok system then budgeted around £1200 for install (inc scaffolding), that's a stonking price!!

    Obviously no fine tuning but if you find an installer who will work with you....
    4kWp, SSE, SolarEdge P300 optimisers & SE3500 Inverter, in occasionally sunny Corby, Northants.
    Now with added Sunsynk 5kw hybrid ecco inverter & 15kWh Fogstar batteries. Oh Octopus Energy too.
  • tunnel
    tunnel Posts: 2,601 Forumite
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    theboylard wrote: »
    Have you seen the package prices lately on Swithenbanks?!

    Don't forget the prices are retail, but if you looked at http://www.swithenbanks.co.uk/Solar_Photovoltaic_Equipment/1133046/16_X_250W_Pantile_All_Black_Mono_System.html , for an ok system then budgeted around £1200 for install (inc scaffolding), that's a stonking price!!

    Obviously no fine tuning but if you find an installer who will work with you....
    Wow, see what you mean(can honestly say I hadn't looked at that part of their website).
    Now I can understand how prices are getting so low, if you could get an installer to work on £1k for labour/profit then sub £5k is easily achievable now, beggars belief that we still see people being quoted £8k+ for a 4kWp system(robbing bar stewards)
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire17.7kWh Givenergy battery added(for the power hungry kids)
  • Thank you all contributors. Via the board, I got a PM giving me the lead for a good local company. The postings have also got me sufficiently up to speed to make a decision. I am now ready to go!
    I have osteoarthritis in my hands so I speak my messages into a microphone using Dragon. Some people make "typos" but I often make "speakos".
  • tunnel
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    Good for you mate, care to expand on the setup and cost(if you have it yet)? It helps for anyone else who may be looking for pv if they know what ball park price and kit to expect for that price
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire17.7kWh Givenergy battery added(for the power hungry kids)
  • tunnel wrote: »
    Hi Sterling(moss?)

    The PO's should come in around £600 but not knowing what type of inverter you were quoted for originally its hard to say if its a good or bad deal

    I'd like to think you could bring it in under £6k inc the solaredge, especially with some of the prices that's been banded about of late. Not really sure about the 6-10% improvement either unless you have some bad shading.

    Obviously you may not need that type of inverter, best to check and double check, no point spending more than you need to


    Sorry Tunnel


    I will not reference supplier (out of fairness). It is a small local company. Solution is as follows:


    14 off 270 watt Trina panels on one roof facing 20 degrees west of south. 14 off Enphase micro inverters. iBoost supplied and installed. Price £6,450 for everything.


    I hope this helps.
    I have osteoarthritis in my hands so I speak my messages into a microphone using Dragon. Some people make "typos" but I often make "speakos".
  • tunnel
    tunnel Posts: 2,601 Forumite
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    Hi Sterling,
    The trees to the easterly direction, will they shade to SSW roof at all? I ask as I don't understand why you've switched to one roof rather than the duel aspect of 2 rooves.
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire17.7kWh Givenergy battery added(for the power hungry kids)
  • Sterlingtimes
    Sterlingtimes Posts: 2,578 Forumite
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    edited 27 September 2014 at 3:22PM
    tunnel wrote: »
    Hi Sterling,
    The trees to the easterly direction, will they shade to SSW roof at all? I ask as I don't understand why you've switched to one roof rather than the duel aspect of 2 rooves.


    The trees to the easterly aspect are not as bad as they look, but the surveyor, having regard for all of the circumstances, formed the opinion that I would be 30% down on power on the east roof and proposed instead to populate fully the south facing roof with one row of eight and one row six 270 watt panels.


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    I have osteoarthritis in my hands so I speak my messages into a microphone using Dragon. Some people make "typos" but I often make "speakos".
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