Passport problem

DUTR

RAS wrote: »

On the last two occasions I have been in a Registrar's Office another member of the public has been querying why their own birth certificate was unobtainable. In one case it appears to be because the Forces had not forwarded the required documents from overseas.

In another instance I was helping someone relatively young who had no certificate; the person knew their own DOB and was raised by foster parents after being abandoned by their parents in that person's care.

Their birth parents had married locally and had a first child who died at a very early age. The searcher's birth was about 18 months after the first child's birth. Both children had the same name and as far as I could find out the second birth was never registered.

I located the one parent's own parents and siblings but do not know what happened next.

How can that be that the 2nd birth was not registered? Especially after so long since the loss of the 1st one, As far as I know children can have the same names, one of my friend's he and his brother have the same middle name.

Mojisola

DUTR wrote: »

How can that be that the 2nd birth was not registered? Especially after so long since the loss of the 1st one, As far as I know children can have the same names, one of my friend's he and his brother have the same middle name.

If the parents don't go to the RO to register the birth, no-one chases them up.

DUTR

Mojisola wrote: »

If the parents don't go to the RO to register the birth, no-one chases them up.

Ouch! Always was led to believe they registration has to occur within 42 days or so of the birth

Mojisola

DUTR wrote: »

Ouch! Always was led to believe they registration has to occur within 42 days or so of the birth

It is supposed to happen that way.

Flossie.

Ooooh, I don't envy your friend OP. My daughter has a friend who is 25 (I'll call her Poppy,) whose mother was not born here and went back to the continent she came from (Asia) when Poppy was 5. She has had no contact with her since 2010 and doesn't even know where she is.

Poppy's father raised her. He was half-American (American mother/English father,) but has lived here since he was a child. He passed on aged 55. (3 years ago.) Poppy's parents never married.

Last year, Poppy applied for a passport, and because her mother was not born in this country, and had never applied for full citizenship of this country, this meant that Poppy could not get a UK passport.

I don't know why, but apparently, if your mother was not born in the UK, it's very difficult to get a UK passport. I don't know if it's the same if your father was not born in the UK. Poppy did appeal, but was refused. I believe that she can try again after 2 years or something (citation needed.)

theoretica

swingaloo wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. The names are on her certificate but not the dates of her parents births which is what she is being asked for.

In this case what she has is the shorter form of her birth certificate - the longer form will have their birth dates on it and she can buy a copy from the register office for about £10.

https://www.gov.uk/register-birth/birth-certificates

rosie-lee

The longer copy, known as a full certificate will not show parents date of birth. That information is recorded for statistical purposes only & does not show in the entry in England & Wales. It will however show their place of birth.
As advised above, contact the registration district where born or GRO.
The passport office is usually satisfied with a full birth certificate

hardpressed

My long birth certificate does not show my parents place of birth, when was that introduced?

TonyMMM

Mojisola wrote: »

If the parents don't go to the RO to register the birth, no-one chases them up.

They are chased up - a number of letters will be sent to the mother reminding them of the requirement to register, after which the case is referred to the General Register Office.

GRO can prosecute the mother/parents but rarely (if ever) do these days.

TonyMMM

hardpressed wrote: »

My long birth certificate does not show my parents place of birth, when was that introduced?

Parents place of birth were added in 1969, Mother's occupation was included from 1984.