Economists Urge Scotland to Vote No......

vivatifosi

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, I don't expect Labour will play ball. Especially over Trident etc. In fact I fully expect some sort of deal between the main parties in terms of squeezing any SNP MP's out. Win/Win really for the SNP if so.

I don't know that they would be squeezed out, but they could well be emasculated. If I was the SNP I'd be very careful about who I get into bed with and what is promised. Remember the last national election when the Lib Dems were riding a wave and promising to keep the tories in balance? How popular are they nearly 5 years on?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, I don't expect Labour will play ball. Especially over Trident etc. In fact I fully expect some sort of deal between the main parties in terms of squeezing any SNP MP's out. Win/Win really for the SNP if so.

Alex Massie has a good take on things as they stand ( he's a unionist ).


http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9383482/the-national-shows-just-how-much-danger-the-union-and-scotland-is-still-in/

He's another delusional idiot.

The fact is that the referendum was had and won. The SNP held a majority based in the Scottish Parliament based on their perceived managerial superiority, not because Scots wanted to leave the Union.

England isn't going to pay for Scotland to have a never ending series of votes on separation, the vote was had and a very clear majority for the Union returned: No won by 20%! A massive success for the Unionists.

The General Election isn't a series of mini referendums, it's a vote for someone to represent you in Parliament. The referendum is gone, get over it.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You said that I personally was confusing electoral support for the SNP with support for independence. I do not. Nor do many other voters in Scotland. Have you processed that part yet ? Good.
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There are inconsistencies, but that's OK, it just shows that you have not yet quite succumbed to the full gibberish of SNP-speak. So keep fighting for your sanity.

Nevertheless it is interesting to get the SNP angle from you, or rather the as-spun angle, for there is a lot of double talk going on. In the Times today there was an article on the residual dying pains of the Scottish Referendum where it was remarked that Sturgeon "litters her rhetoric with the word "consensus" but gives every indication of pursuing a polarised agenda".

And so it goes, and so much for the "Sovereign will of the Scottish People""; such does not figure in the SNP's tunnel vision.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

I don't know that they would be squeezed out, but they could well be emasculated. If I was the SNP I'd be very careful about who I get into bed with and what is promised. Remember the last national election when the Lib Dems were riding a wave and promising to keep the tories in balance? How popular are they nearly 5 years on?

I don't think the SNP worry about popularity south of the border. They seem to thrive by creating a "them and us" situation.

Lots of people in areas outside London could look for reasons as to why they are the poor cousins to the rich capital. It's a stale argument though. It's time to move on. No point in being negative.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Yet you quote and say a journalist "has a good take on things" who says that in May we have 59 mini-referenda on independence.
Like I say, make yer mind up!

He's a Scottish political commentator who makes no secret he's a unionist. And more than likely a Tory unionist at that. If I quoted anyone from the other side ( Ian McWhirter ) you'd simply dismiss it as bias.

But have some anyway..

The recent opinion polls suggest that if there were an early referendum, the Nationalists would probably win. But I suggest Nicola Sturgeon will be very cautious about trying to hold one in the near future. Many Scots would feel that the SNP had betrayed their own promise not to subject Scotland to a "neverendum".

And anyway, the Nationalists do not need another risky referendum. They need only to consolidate their command of the Scottish Parliament, reveal the Smith Commission income tax reforms to be partial and contradictory, and then prepare the ground for further concessions to self-government.

English Votes for English Laws will further weaken the sinews of Unionism, but reducing Scottish influence in Westminster. After this extraordinary year, Scottish independence now seems only a matter of time.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/our-summer-of-love.26147810

Which one of these respected Scottish political commentators do you think has the 'best take' ? The tory unionist, or the reluctant yes who's a federalist at heart. Make up your own mind then.

Gangaweed

I just wish the snp had won, and Scotland had voted for independence. Oh how I would love to watch idiots like STD (aptly named) and istl absolutely bricking themselves as business and capital feed the socialist utopia North of the boarder.

I'd have loved to watch that lying skunk Salmond explain how his Scotland was going down the tubes faster than a flushed turd.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

There are inconsistencies, but that's OK, it just shows that you have not yet quite succumbed to the full gibberish of SNP-speak. So keep fighting for your sanity.

Nevertheless it is interesting to get the SNP angle from you, or rather the as-spun angle, for there is a lot of double talk going on. In the Times today there was an article on the residual dying pains of the Scottish Referendum where it was remarked that Sturgeon "litters her rhetoric with the word "consensus" but gives every indication of pursuing a polarised agenda".

And so it goes, and so much for the "Sovereign will of the Scottish People""; such does not figure in the SNP's tunnel vision.

That's not really fair string. It is after all Scots who keep voting them into power. If it wasn't the 'will of the people' they'd be crashing and burning at elections. And they aren't. Nor are the looking likely to for the moment.

The Times.. well.. it has it's own 'slant' on things. When she say's 'consensus' she's talking about working cross party with Labour, or more particularly, Scottish Labour in Holyrood. She's not a MP remember, she's an MSP. And under a PR system up there, coalitions and smaller parties are more likely to have to be 'worked with' in order to get things done.

She'll more than likely be leaving Westminster politic-ing to any SNP MP's who happen to be elected there in May ( after an agreed manifesto is delivered ). Jim Murphy is in the ludicrious position at the moment of having to watch his deputy leader take on First Ministers Questions while he watches from the gallery unable to take part. Because he's an MP and not an MSP. God knows how he's going to work that one out.

Anyway, MSP's and MP's.. best not to confuse them and what 'consensus' means. Westminster certainly doesn't work like that, Holyrood, by necessity sometimes, has to.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

He's another delusional idiot.

The fact is that the referendum was had and won. The SNP held a majority based in the Scottish Parliament based on their perceived managerial superiority, not because Scots wanted to leave the Union.

England isn't going to pay for Scotland to have a never ending series of votes on separation, the vote was had and a very clear majority for the Union returned: No won by 20%! A massive success for the Unionists.

The General Election isn't a series of mini referendums, it's a vote for someone to represent you in Parliament. The referendum is gone, get over it.

We are, over it. But politics doesn't stop, ever. Get real. And Massie was talking figuratively, about mini-referendums not literally !

Shakethedisease

Gangaweed wrote: »

I just wish the snp had won, and Scotland had voted for independence. Oh how I would love to watch idiots like STD (aptly named) and istl absolutely bricking themselves as business and capital feed the socialist utopia North of the boarder.

I'd have loved to watch that lying skunk Salmond explain how his Scotland was going down the tubes faster than a flushed turd.

Eloquently put. I admire your grasp on things.

Gangaweed

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Eloquently put. I admire your grasp on things.

You're just Nigel Farage with a different shirt. Nationalist fool.