How to Join the EU in 35 'Simple' Steps

CLAPTON

N1AK wrote: »

I think 18 months is optimistic, but I'm not sure comparing to more recent members joining is all that informative. Scotland is currently part of Europe, unlike Latvia etc, it only has to commit to continuing to do the same things it is already doing when it becomes independent.

Scotland joining Europe is going to be a far more political issue than beaurocratic. I could honestly see Scotland, almost, instantly becoming an EU nation if it agreed to adopt the €, or potentially if it kept the pound in a full currency union, and agreed to pay its full share of EU fees (sans equivalent of UK discount). However, politics mean that a number of nations may want to make the process more ardous than that and a new currency and/or using the pound without currency union would make things more complex.

if Salmond kept his promise/threat to default on scotland's share of the debts, would other EU countries want to fast track scotland and make a precedent for countries with minorities wanting to break away?

zagubov

ash28 wrote: »

I think you're dreaming if you think Scotland will see an immediate and seamless membership of the EU.

From Viviane Reding, the vice president of the European Commission, Justice, Fundamental Rights and Citizenship to Christina McKelvie MSP on 10 March 2014.


http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandExternalRelationsCommittee/Inquiries/Letter_from_Viviane_Reding_Vice_President_of_the_European_Commission_dated_20_March_2014__pdf.pdf

And on 3 June 2014

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandExternalRelationsCommittee/2014_06_04_Viiviane_Redding_to_Convener.pdf

There are two ways for Scotland to join the EU....the hard way Article 49... the one mentioned in the letter to the Scottish government by Viviane Reding. Article 49.

And the easy way Article 48....a treaty amendment. Usually used for things like the bailout mechanism, not membership, and Scotland's preferred route. That means Scotland would want to negotiate its membership by changing the rules of entry.

However, the current position of the commission seems to be the hard way...and for all the bluff and bluster, ultimately the decision on Scotland's entry lies outside Edinburgh and outside London and Brussels - it lies with 28 member states.

The GDR was a bit different - it handed its sovereignty over to West Germany who were already members....it didn't apply to join in its own right. Reunification meant the expansion of the existing FDR and not the creation of a new state.

Scottish residents won't lose EU citizenship anyway - nobody's suggested that. It'll be in the EU's overriding interest to ensure that the territory itself becomes EU territory as soon as possible.

The EU (and also NATO) won't be interested in having a northern flank that's as gappy as a hillbilly's smile. The only two northern eurozone countries aren't even in NATO. :eek:

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Scottish residents won't lose EU citizenship anyway - nobody's suggested that. It'll be in the EU's overriding interest to ensure that the territory itself becomes EU territory as soon as possible.

The EU (and also NATO) won't be interested in having a northern flank that's as gappy as a hillbilly's smile. The only two northern eurozone countries aren't even in NATO. :eek:

do you have a link to a EU document saying there will be a no break EU 'citizenship' for Scots if there is a YES vote?

.string.

zagubov wrote: »

Scottish residents won't lose EU citizenship anyway - nobody's suggested that. It'll be in the EU's overriding interest to ensure that the territory itself becomes EU territory as soon as possible.

The EU (and also NATO) won't be interested in having a northern flank that's as gappy as a hillbilly's smile. The only two northern eurozone countries aren't even in NATO. :eek:

Oh I'm not so sure; the idea of having a buffer state where all the fighting can be done has its attractions.:D

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you have a link to a EU document saying there will be a no break EU 'citizenship' for Scots if there is a YES vote?

Don't worry, you don't need one.

It's the claim that Scottish residents would lose EU membership that's the dramatic claim, and needs to be evidenced.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

Don't worry, you don't need one.

It's the claim that Scottish residents would lose EU membership that's the dramatic claim, and needs to be evidenced.

Do you mean they'd lose citizenship? They do if they vote yes:

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/70496.aspx

See the first letter from the EU.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

Do you mean they'd lose citizenship? They do if they vote yes:.

Not if they retain UK citizenship.

The UK is a member state. It's citizens are therefore citizens of Europe. Residency of an EU country is not required.

You remain an EU citizen even though you reside in Aus, by virtue of holding UK citizenship.

If anyone chose to renounce UK citizenship and only hold Scottish citizenship, they would of course not be citizens of the EU as Scotland would not be a member state..... If/when Scotland was admitted, that might change.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Don't worry, you don't need one.

It's the claim that Scottish residents would lose EU membership that's the dramatic claim, and needs to be evidenced.

of course you don't actually live in Scotland, so loss of EU membership doesn't actually affect you, does it?

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

of course you don't actually live in Scotland, so loss of EU membership doesn't actually affect you, does it?

Or anybody else.;)

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Or anybody else.;)

are you sure that half truths, evasions, refusal to answer straightforward questions and actual lies make Scottish voters more likely to vote YES

had you considered that Scottish votes might vote YES, if given the actual realistic facts even if all aren't superficially favourable to the YES campaign?

well, you tell me you know the Scots better than me, so is that a no?