Renting - Gas safety Certificate

westernpromise

dj1471 wrote: »

Also if the gas is turned off as the OP has stated I doubt there is still a legal obligation for a gas safety certificate to be in place (but I may be wrong).

Probably the liability for the bills is mentioned in the AST agreement, so if that mentions that there's gas supply to the property, I'd think a GSC is required.

AdrianC

dj1471 wrote: »

Also if the gas is turned off as the OP has stated I doubt there is still a legal obligation for a gas safety certificate to be in place (but I may be wrong).

No, but since he said the gas "isn't on yet", I think we can take it as read that the intention is to supply gas. No GSC, no gas.

From the OP it certainly sounds as if the OP agreed to be in for the engineer, but then broke that agreement at short notice. Twice. On that basis, then - yes - the OP is liable.

Flashmanchop

I am not convinced that a CP12 can be carried out if no gas is presently supplied at the property.

westernpromise

Dunno but you might find that if gas connects to the house the GSC proves that it's been safely disconnected.

AdrianC

Now there's an interesting catch-22...

I'd assume that the gas engineer doing the safety check has some way of turning the gas on sufficiently to do the check, probably in conjunction with Transco/Nat'l Grid or whoever. E-On don't do the "switching on", they merely look after the billing.

dodger1

westernpromise wrote: »

That's not how I read it. The agency arranged a visit but all we know is the OP couldn't make it, not that s/he broke the appointment.

Most tenancies stipulate that the landlord or his agents, tradesmen etc can enter the property for legit purposes on 24 hours' notice. If the agents didn't give this I'd think they can whistle for the money.

stringer_bell wrote: »

I'm not, Im paying for the callout charge for the missed appointment, apparently I gave too little notice and the engineer was already at property, even though I emailed the letting agent at 8am!

I read that as tenant agreed the appointment and then tried to email a cancellation on the same day.

stringer_bell

Yes, I did agree the appointment and cancelled at 8am on the day, my bad. However I was not able to make it, plus the gas was not switched on so it would be a wasted journey for him anyway

G_M

* if the tenant agreed to be there for the appointment and to grant access, then that is what he should do. If he cancels at short notice he is liable for any related charge. His fault.

* agreed, tenant does not have to be there, and LL/agent could attend or give engineer a key, but that does not seem to have been the attangement here

* If there is no gas at the property there is no requirement for a GSC

* If there is no gas at the property how can inspection take place (eg measuring boiler/fire for CO)? Unless as suggested the engineer can switch gas on.

If there was an existing GSC, there is no need for a new one prior to tenancy starting. We have no information about expiry date of any prior GSC

So basically there is missing information in the scenario, making responses conjecture.

G_M

stringer_bell wrote: »

Yes, I did agree the appointment and cancelled at 8am on the day, my bad. However I was not able to make it, plus the gas was not switched on so it would be a wasted journey for him anyway

Yes. Your bad. So your cost.

If he had come
a) we don't know if he had the ability/authority to switch on the gas temporarily for testing purposes
b) if he didn't, then that would have been the LL's bad, so not your fault.

booksurr

westernpromise wrote: »

That's not how I read it.

you read it wrong