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The Big Strike

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  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    zagubov wrote: »
    Gove's taken a long walk on a short pier! RESULT!:beer::T

    I doubt this strike had much to do with it, but if they had any sense the strikers should claim it had!

    Here's film of his reaction.


    Too combative in an election year or so they say. As Chief Whip he still has a central role.

    Cameron is clearly lining things up for the campaign here. The betting shows how close things are. I make no majority a 38% chance, Labour win 32% chance, Tory win 30% chance.

    It's squeaky bum time!
  • zagubov
    zagubov Posts: 17,939 Forumite
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    Generali wrote: »
    Too combative in an election year or so they say. As Chief Whip he still has a central role.

    Cameron is clearly lining things up for the campaign here. The betting shows how close things are. I make no majority a 38% chance, Labour win 32% chance, Tory win 30% chance.

    It's squeaky bum time!

    He had to go.

    There's 438,000 teachers in England, who'd deffo not vote for any party that had Gove as its education minister.
    Not that getting rid of him would make them all vote tory, but within the profession he's full-strength voter-repellent.
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  • LydiaJ
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    zagubov wrote: »
    He had to go.

    There's 438,000 teachers in England, who'd deffo not vote for any party that had Gove as its education minister.
    Not that getting rid of him would make them all vote tory, but within the profession he's full-strength voter-repellent.

    It's not just the teachers either. Someone or some people at my son's school have told him that Gove wanted to make foreign languages compulsory not just at 11-14 but all the way to 16 (which he would hate because of being dyslexic and finding foreign languages almost impossible), and that Gove had plans to extend both the school day and the school terms to keep kids in school for more time and let them have less of a life. This has made him (and I think also lots of his friends) as anti-Gove as most teachers. Admittedly, he's only 13 and doesn't get a vote, but I imagine there are a whole cohort of young adults who've come out of that school in the last 4 years with some amorphous anti-Gove sentiment washing around their half-formed political opinions.

    It's not a sink school full of die-hard 1960s-style educational left-wingers, either. It's a highly successful academy in an affluent catchment.

    He had some good ideas and some terrible ones, but his apparent determination to take absolutely no notice of anything said by anybody with actual experience of education in this century is what makes him so offensive to those at the chalkface. I have been saying for years that unlike some of my more vehement teacher colleagues, I don't wish the man any actual harm - I just wanted him to get a different job. So today I am happy that he's got one. :D
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    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • tomterm8
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    edited 16 July 2014 at 11:58AM
    Generali wrote: »
    I agree with a caveat that striking isn't always the best or correct way to do this.

    People like the military, police, firemen, teachers, nurses & doctors, ambulance-ists and bus & train drivers shouldn't be able to strike IMHO. The military can't at present and that should be extended I think. Tube drivers earn a very high wage for a low skill job because they have what amounts to a monopoly. I can't use a different train service or bus route to get to work as I need to get from where I am to where I want to be.

    So, what's the consequences of not being able to strike? Not being able to strike doesn't mean that you'll be happy with your terms and conditions. It just means that you'll start to look for another job.

    Which, to be fair, already seems to be happening with teachers... at least the best ones.

    Here's a question: Do you want your kids to be taught by the unhappy teacher who couldn't find another job?
    “The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
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  • Pennywise
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    zagubov wrote: »
    There's 438,000 teachers in England, who'd deffo not vote for any party that had Gove as its education minister.

    Most teachers would never vote Tory whoever was the Education Minister or whatever position Gove held. They were lost votes anyway, always have been.
  • LydiaJ
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    Pennywise wrote: »
    Most teachers would never vote Tory whoever was the Education Minister or whatever position Gove held. They were lost votes anyway, always have been.

    Actually I think teachers are a fairly broad collection of all sorts of political views - apart from being pretty much unanimous about not liking politicians to rush through frequent changes to education without enough time for teachers to implement them properly, and not liking education policy to be decided by somebody who doesn't appear to know what he's talking about or to be willing to listen to those who do.
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
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