Inter Gen politics

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What complete borlax. And boomer propaganda too, makes a change for the Telegraph.

They have chosen to compare the youngest imaginable boomers with the oldest imaginable Gen X, and even then:



And what about Millennials now? What about them? Shafted thats what they are.

£50k of debt to go to university to get the minimum required qualification for a temp job filing, while they live in a squalid house share with Australians.

It. Makes. Me. So. Mad. :mad:

Listen, I'm a child of the 70s, I am well aware that 'things' are much cheaper now then they used to be. I was reflecting this morning that its actually quite hard not to spoil my own son because everything is so available and cheap.

You can make a kid fully obese with £2 a day to spend on godawful sugary snacks, whereas I remember the collective national juvenile wailing when penny sweets went up in price 500% because the pound was so weak, which was the end of the Saturday walk to the sweet shop.

It was difficult to get 'square eyes' back then because there would only be one family television showing 4 channels and children's shows were on for two hours a day if you timed it right and it was a weekend.

I remember very well the shame and indignity of wearing hand me down clothes from other kids because we couldn't just go to Primani and spend £10 on a new outfit, and then handing on those clothes again. People darned for god's sake.

But the thing people had then that they don't now was affordable housing and social housing. They had a place in society where they belonged. Somewhere to identify with, to peg themselves to and say 'this is where I live'.

People now are faced with awful private rental conditions, no hope of getting a council house, and buying being a pipe dream.

I know two early career doctors who cant find a 2 bed flat they can afford to buy in a not horrible area of Zone 5 or 6 in London. Doctors. What in the hell chance does a 'normal' young person leaving university have; or older Gen X's who faced with the prospect of being excluded from parenthood by age just went for it and are struggling to raise kids from one 6 month AST to the next?

This is what turns people to prozac, not the fact that the only thing on at 2am is Open University and you can only have Fanta as a treat.

don't get mad become effective instead

solution is easy

build more houses

write to your MP and local council: recruit your friends ; especially those two young doctors

wotsthat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

People now are faced with awful private rental conditions, no hope of getting a council house, and buying being a pipe dream.

I know two early career doctors who cant find a 2 bed flat they can afford to buy in a not horrible area of Zone 5 or 6 in London. Doctors. What in the hell chance does a 'normal' young person leaving university have; or older Gen X's who faced with the prospect of being excluded from parenthood by age just went for it and are struggling to raise kids from one 6 month AST to the next?

What did you do daddy in the great housing shortage?

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

don't get mad become effective instead

solution is easy

build more houses

write to your MP and local council: recruit your friends ; especially those two young doctors

I did write to my multi home owning mortgage free MP in the past actually. Total waste of time.

Received a patronising letter back 'pointing out' to me how fantastic house price inflation is for the country (and himself presumably). He also enclosed about three kilos of print outs about Keyworker housing schemes he had his 'secretary' print out (God forbid I should think that he had done it), under the misapprehension that people who aren't policemen or nurses can apply for it.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I did write to my multi home owning mortgage free MP in the past actually. Total waste of time.

Received a patronising letter back 'pointing out' to me how fantastic house price inflation is for the country (and himself presumably). He also enclosed about three kilos of print outs about Keyworker housing schemes he had his 'secretary' print out (God forbid I should think that he had done it), under the misapprehension that people who aren't policemen or nurses can apply for it.

typical negative attitude from X&Y but
keep at it, recruit your friends

times are changing : although X&Y are sitting on their backsides, some of the boomers are mobilising on their behalf (only way of getting the job done)

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

typical negative attitude from X&Y but
keep at it, recruit your friends

times are changing : although X&Y are sitting on their backsides, some of the boomers are mobilising on their behalf (only way of getting the job done)

Oh yes, what are you doing?

I am excited about this prospect of mobilising boomers. Ideally they would mobilise themselves out of the family homes they occupy and free them up for hard working and desperate younger families.

Will it be that kind of mobilisation?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Oh yes, what are you doing?

I am excited about this prospect of mobilising boomers. Ideally they would mobilise themselves out of the family homes they occupy and free them up for hard working and desperate younger families.

Will it be that kind of mobilisation?

once the boomers realise what a spineless lot of useless people they have unfortunately bought into the world, they will solve the problem is the correct way

cause more houses to be built: it's not rocket science although talking to X&Y one would easily think it was.

they might of course, free up the odd house but there aren't many hard working families around

wotsthat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I am excited about this prospect of mobilising boomers. Ideally they would mobilise themselves out of the family homes they occupy and free them up for hard working and desperate younger families.

Why can't we build enough houses for hard working families so that if a couple of boomers choose to live in a house that's really too big for their needs they can do.

I recently commented on a proposed development near me in support. However, I mentioned that the supply road was inadequate and already the site of many accidents and cars going into the ditch. The plans were amended (slight widening and two bends 'straightened out).

Supporting the building of houses for hard working families and benefits claimants and saving lives too. What did you say you'd done again?

There was a Facebook campaign against the building. Clearly Facebook attracts a certain demographic but I was surprised at the number of young people involved. It's as if people can be selfish at any age.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

ruggedtoast wrote: »

But the thing people had then that they don't now was affordable housing and social housing. They had a place in society where they belonged. Somewhere to identify with, to peg themselves to and say 'this is where I live'.

I'm not sure that's true. My parents married in 1956 and had 3 kids in a 1 bedroom flat until my grandad got so worried that he handed over his hard earned savings so they could buy a terrace red brick hovel. The sash windows were drafty, the roof was drafty and there was no central heating. The place was a dump. My Dad was a joiner/carpenter at Lairds docks. My Grandad's family lived in 4 bedroom house without outside loo in Belfast - there was 4 adults and 5 kids. My Grandad was a civil servant / sales man selling phones for the PO.
Really, the sort of life you are imagining was only for the rich. It's just never been that easy to get good housing for the majority.

ruggedtoast

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

I'm not sure that's true. My parents married in 1956 and had 3 kids in a 1 bedroom flat until my grandad got so worried that he handed over his hard earned savings so they could buy a terrace red brick hovel. The sash windows were drafty, the roof was drafty and there was no central heating. The place was a dump. My Dad was a joiner/carpenter at Lairds docks. My Grandad's family lived in 4 bedroom house without outside loo in Belfast - there was 4 adults and 5 kids. My Grandad was a civil servant / sales man selling phones for the PO.
Really, the sort of life you are imagining was only for the rich. It's just never been that easy to get good housing for the majority.

If I could own somewhere like that, or rent somewhere much nicer I would choose owning the dump in a heart beat. I think most people would, because when you buy a house you get much more than just the bricks and mortar.

The boomers knew this themselves, which is why they bought these places, made them homes and spent decades renovating and personalising them.. Something which the young now may never know.

GeorgeHowell

The lefties support the notion of state subsidiation of procreation, they reject the notion of marriage and the traditional family and encourage the proliferation of individual households, and then they moan because there's not enough comfortable homes for everyone. More illogical and erroneous thinking from people who do not know which end is up.