England 'could leave the union', warns Carwyn Jones

Moby

Generali wrote: »

Wales was subsumed into England. There isn't really any Welsh history since the Black Prince.

There's an archaic language which mostly exists because of S4C which is paid for by taxes from London. There are sporting teams, notably the rugby team.

Nobody only speaks Welsh. There is no separate legal, fiscal or educational system as we see in Scotland.

Wales exists only as Surrey or Yorkshire does. The Welsh Parliament is a fig leaf.

No point in arguing with such dismissive ignorance........ the weather is too nice:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in_Wales_Acts_1535-1542
This leads to links where you can read and learn.

chucknorris

Moby wrote: »

No point in arguing with such dismissive ignorance........ the weather is too nice:)

I disagree, I think Generali is correct, the Welsh rugby team are quite good.

Moby

chucknorris wrote: »

I disagree, I think Generali is correct, the Welsh rugby team are quite good.

Not until we beat those bloody Wallabies will I agree with that;)

chucknorris

Moby wrote: »

Not until we beat those bloody Wallabies will I agree with that;)

I have to admit that I'm not really a rugby fan, cricket then football would be my preference. To emphasise Genrali's point Wales don't actually have a separate cricket team, they are part of a combined England/Wales team. Probably not an ideal time to suggest that the Wales football team isn't that great, but ironically I thought that England performed reasonably well in the world cup (looking at their actual performance and setting aside the results of course). They lost two 50/50 games that were always going to be difficult on paper and proved to be so in reality, but they were competitive and IMO were not seriously outplayed in either game.

chewmylegoff

chucknorris wrote: »

I have to admit that I'm not really a rugby fan, cricket then football would be my preference. To emphasise Genrali's point Wales don't actually have a separate cricket team, they are part of a combined England/Wales team. Probably not an ideal time to suggest that the Wales football team isn't that great, but ironically I thought that England performed reasonably well in the world cup (looking at their actual performance and setting aside the results of course). They lost two 50/50 games that were always going to be difficult on paper and proved to be so in reality, but they were competitive and IMO were not seriously outplayed in either game.

Cricket isn't a great example because you can play for the English cricket team if you come from Wales, Scotland, Ireland, anywhere in Africa, anywhere in the Antipodes, the North Pole, FYR Macedonia, Transylvania, Boratland, Atlantis and/or the Moon. You're allowed to play if your English but only if there isn't someone better from all the places listed above.

chucknorris

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Cricket isn't a great example because you can play for the English cricket team if you come from Wales, Scotland, Ireland, anywhere in Africa, anywhere in the Antipodes, the North Pole, FYR Macedonia, Transylvania, Boratland, Atlantis and/or the Moon. You're allowed to play if your English but only if there isn't someone better from all the places listed above.

I think it is a good example because the point that I was making is that there is no separate Welsh team, our current team represents BOTH England and Wales, unlike Scotland (who until the 90's were not separate) and Ireland who have their own teams.


EDIT: The ECB is actually the England and Wales Cricket Board (not just the England Cricket Board):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales_Cricket_Board

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Wales was subsumed into England. There isn't really any Welsh history since the Black Prince....

I'm mightily confused as to what the Black Prince has to do with Welsh history. As best I can remember, he was an Angevin who devoted his life to killing Frenchmen. I suppose he was formally the Prince of Wales, and yes, there would have been a lot of Welsh longbow men helping him kill all those Frenchmen at Poitiers, but otherwise I'm a bit stumped.

Generali wrote: »

...Nobody only speaks Welsh. ...

Practically speaking, almost nobody "only speaks Dutch". At least, 90% of the population can apparently speak English, and I'd bet that most of the remaining 10% also speak something else like French or German, or one of those funny old dialects that float around.

Generali wrote: »

..Wales exists only as Surrey or Yorkshire does. The Welsh Parliament is a fig leaf.

That would entirely be a matter for the Welsh themselves to decide. Nationality is entirely self-defined. If the people of Wales believe that Wales exists as a national concept, then it exists, no matter how 'illogical' you or anyone else thinks about it.

P.S. It's an assembly not a parliament. Being pedantic an 'all.

michaels

I was watching question time in Wales, the Westminster politicians were suggesting that the Welsh Govt should have tax raising powers. The audience were desperately unkeen - they felt the Welsh govt were making enough of an arsenal with the powers they had already (Welsh education anyone?) and definitely shouldn't get any more.

BillJones

michaels wrote: »

Perhaps the NW and NE would like to join Scotland as well...little bit of Friday morning wishful thinking.....

I really don't see why the North East would ever want to associate themselves with Scotland. We are English through and through, and our counties are liberally sprinkled with the castles and battlefields that remind us of or historic fights against the scots.

Only last year we had the anniversary of Flodden, when we remembered what we have to do if we are unwise to leave the border undefended.

Had the scots fought a bit better there, of course, or been a bit less treacherous, they may never have ended up in the union in the first place...

thequant

Sod England, Let London leave the UK. I'm fracking sick of my taxes being used to prop up the rest of the country.