NHS End of Fixed Term Contract Advise Needed from Someone with NHS HR experience

getmore4less

So are you pursuing redundancy or giving up?

polgara

bll78 wrote: »

I believe they have to pay you redundancy, we're (NHS) in the middle of making redundant a FTC and as they have continuous NHS service they're eligible. However you will not be able to get a job in the NHS for 6 months without paying back the payment

Thats not correct - its 4 weeks in line with Agenda for Change

TighterThanTwoCoatsOfPain

We'll I can't see how on earth you're redundant.

You just said you left your previous role and took up a FTC?

The NHS haven't made you redundant, you left a job of your own free will then took a job you knew would last 12 months?

(Clearly I could have read it wrong, but if not it's just another in a long line if things wrong with the public sector)

getmore4less

TighterThanTwoCoatsOfPain wrote: »

We'll I can't see how on earth you're redundant.

You just said you left your previous role and took up a FTC?

The NHS haven't made you redundant, you left a job of your own free will then took a job you knew would last 12 months?

(Clearly I could have read it wrong, but if not it's just another in a long line if things wrong with the public sector)

nothing to do with public sector the same rules apply to everyone its the law.

regprentice

getmore4less wrote: »

nothing to do with public sector the same rules apply to everyone its the law.

Have to agree with tighterthantwocoatsofpaint

I have never worked anywhere where an employee voluntarily moving from a permanent role to a temporary/contracted one has subsequently been given redundancy just because the temporary role came to its expected end.

put another way...ive only ever seen redundancy payments made when a business was actively restructuring and making redundancies...ive never seen redundancy payments made randomly due to contract issues. Why would i have seen this? I am an accountant working for a national company (that conducts its redundancy processes in conjunction with unite)

jackyann

This is not that uncommon in the NHS. Because of the fixed bands we are paid on, sometimes the only way to move up a band, or to get relevant experience to apply for a higher band, is to take a fixed term contract. I have done it a good few times in my career (but of course, if all else fails, a nurse can always get a job somewhere!)
It is usual at the end of that contract, if the post isn't continuing (again, a common occurrence as a lot of work is on temporary "projects" funded from odd pots of money) is to drop the worker back in to the general pool. There is probably a specific reason this isn't the case.
Although taking up another NHS post acts as "continuous service", whether or not you can get redundancy depends on the exact wording of this contract, what other posts might be available and other things.

First of all, talk to your union. They are very used to this! Then consider talking to your manager - sometimes if you imply you may be taking action, they will suddenly find something to suit you.

Good luck

getmore4less

regprentice wrote: »

Have to agree with tighterthantwocoatsofpaint

I have never worked anywhere where an employee voluntarily moving from a permanent role to a temporary/contracted one has subsequently been given redundancy just because the temporary role came to its expected end.

put another way...ive only ever seen redundancy payments made when a business was actively restructuring and making redundancies...ive never seen redundancy payments made randomly due to contract issues. Why would i have seen this? I am an accountant working for a national company (that conducts its redundancy processes in conjunction with unite)

If there is over 2 years of continuous employment even if multiple fixed terms then the termination would be a payable redundancy.

Failure to so so would likely be a break of the Fixed-term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations.

getmore4less

Plenty of link to places that support this

https://www.gov.uk/fixed-term-contracts/renewing-or-ending-a-fixedterm-contract

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4587

http://www.tuc.org.uk/workplace-issues/basic-rights-work/categories-workers/02-fixed-term-workers/fixed-term-employees-%E2%80%93-your-rights-work


http://www.ucu.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=3547


and links to NHS policies

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=is+end+of+fixed+term+contract+a+redundancy+NHS