A chicken is for life not just Christmas Dinner (An 11+ ELITE Thread)

fairclaire

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Hi there - we had some of the bacon tonight, whether it was with or without the presence of faecal material.



But soya is from plants and probably contains traces of soil and even worse nasties in that.

I think I've concluded I'm going to have to stay with cow's milk. No food or drink is pure or totally free of any bacterial material or dust or dirt. I have enough with not wanting to have any natural yogurt at all or any 'bio'pots, sounds horrible with living things squiggling around in it somewhere.

I tried to find out the composition of milk in this country but to no avail. The limits on blood/pus etc. appear to refer to American sources, so are not relevant to what is or isn't permitted under 'our' legislation.

The trouble is not knowing what, if anything, to believe on sources on the internet. The official sources, I always suspect they are hijacked by the industry, and 'money talks', on food. We have pharmaceutals too that are reviewed by experts who receive at least something, or anything at all, from industry companies and who knows what to believe? How do we know a medical journal is reliable or otherwise?

Meanwhile, the non-official sources you don't know whether to believe them either, as you feel they might be more conspiracy theory than any true fact.

I have no idea where to look in the first place, or where to start. I found (and my 'finding' may be totally inaccurate and misguided) that to be 'milk', milk is the secretions from the mammary glands and you're not allowed to add anything to or remove anything from them, otherwise it would not be 'milk'. So, yes, it is going to contain whatever those secretions contain, blood, pus, gore and all.

Apparently semi-skimmed milk, for example, is more likely to have later contamination as the fat is removed and then part of it put back, a process that gives further opportunity for microbial contamination: http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/SGM/sgmfoods12.html

I did discover that raw milk was banned from sale in Scotland. It has particular risks to health. It can be sold in England and Wales, but at the farm gate, in farmhouse catering operations or by farmers at farmer's markets and specific milkmen (or women): http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=43 The number of outlets was extremely low. Raw milk can be sold in Northern Ireland but there were no sales of it made, although this last info. is from the Food Standards Agency.

I always feel that even if there are regulations no-one knows if they are enforced or not. It is one thing what the law says but it doesn't stop things that break the law from going on. How can it be said that no-one has bought raw milk in Northern Ireland as this doesn't exclude the possibility that one person, somewhere, somehow, could have done but that the information about that might have remained unknown to the authorities?

In short, I've no idea what to believe. All food somewhere must have something or other in it and otherwise what am I to put on my Crunchy Nut cornflakes? I could use water instead of milk, but then water has all sorts of other things in it and all of it must have started off as urine somewhere else. I'm a hungry though, as my meal with the bacon hasn't filled me (no fault of the bacon, just the meal we did) - and normally reach either for cereal with milk or for a tin of rice pudding. And who knows what the milk in that might or might not contain. Apparently the milk that is discoloured or not suitable as straight milk gets used and put in milk chocolate instead:rotfl:.

I could have one of the Jazz apples - they are rather nice and I actually feel they are better quality than the other ones ('value'-ranges) that I've being having. But, as something that has been out in the air, I'm sure apples contain all sorts of things too, not all or much of which will get washed off, even if it is put under a tap of water (which itself contains further 'contaminants' of any sort).

I'm a bit of a germ freak these days (that's down to a thing that happened to me though, that was a bad experience) and am particular about all the stuff you mention.

BUT growing up, in my early years at least, I was fed milk, straight from the cow. Not pasteurised, filtered or anything else. My nan used to go and get jugs of it from a nearby farm. :eek: obviously I never died, and as far as I know no harm ever came of it.

It does make you think about things though. I think sometimes, we have been conditioned to worry about stuff more than we need to. I worry about germs.....the type that can make you ill. I don't, however, worry about eating a carrot that Ive grown myself and added a bit of chicken poop to, to help it grow better. Maybe we all think too much!

TrulyMadly

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silverhairgranny

cjj wrote: »

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Evangeline1971

Savvy you mustn't have watched the food inspectors tonight since you're having bacon :eek: I'll say no more as it's probably best if you don't watch if you want to continue enjoying bacon

Savvybuyer wrote: »

But soya is from plants and probably contains traces of soil and even worse nasties in that.

I don't worry about this kind of bacteria, I only dislike bacteria from human contamination it's crazy I know, I'll eat out of date food but need to use hand sanitizer if I use a public toilet or touch things that get a lot of human traffic :D

David.

Evangeline1971 wrote: »

Savvy you mustn't have watched the food inspectors tonight since you're having bacon :eek: I'll say no more as it's probably best if you don't watch if you want to continue enjoying bacon


I don't worry about this kind of bacteria, I only dislike bacteria from human contamination it's crazy I know, I'll eat out of date food but need to use hand sanitizer if I use a public toilet or touch things that get a lot of human traffic :D

Come on spill :cool:

Westvleteren

Well, I think this takes it to a whole new level - an interesting article on the BBC website.

* warning it is a bit :eek:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660

David.

Westvleteren wrote: »

Well, I think this takes it to a whole new level - an interesting article on the BBC website.

* warning it is a bit :eek:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660

:eek: Can you not get sky or virgin up there Westy

Westvleteren

David. wrote: »

:eek: Can you not get sky or virgin up there Westy

Not Virgin but get sky though I don't watch a lot of TV can't concentrate long enough.

karlie88

Westvleteren wrote: »

Well, I think this takes it to a whole new level - an interesting article on the BBC website.

* warning it is a bit :eek:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660

Deeeeeeeeeeelicious.

:rotfl:

fairclaire

Westvleteren wrote: »

Well, I think this takes it to a whole new level - an interesting article on the BBC website.

* warning it is a bit :eek:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660

Oh my!! :eek::eek: