PPC for a car I sold!

Brynjaminjones

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I've gone through lots and lots of posts on here, and none seem to cover what to do if you didn't own the vehicle in question.

Let me start by saying that I'm not very knowledgeable on this, and because I wasn't aware of the recent changes, I did ignore some letters that I perhaps shouldn't have.


I received a Notice to Keeper from the Car Parking Partnership in March 2014, informing me of a parking notice in February 2014 on a car that I had sold in April 2013, telling me that I had 28 days to pay, provide driver details, or appeal.
I ignored this letter.

I received a Keeper Liability Notice in April 2014, telling me that it was now too late to name the driver or make a representation against the CPN, and that I had to pay within 14 days of this letter.

At this point I signed into their website, and filled out an appeal form simply stating that I had sold the vehicle in April 2013.

I received a letter in response informing me that I had already been sent a Notice to Keeper, and that withing 28 days of the NTK I was supposed to have paid, named the driver, or made a representation. It continued to say that I didn't do this, so the Car Parking Partnership was now not able to accept an appeal, and will not enter into any further correspondence. It said that I should pay withing 14 days in order to conclude the matter. There was no mention of further action if I didn't pay this, and the letter didn't actually state that it was a rejection.

I again ignored this.

I have now (May 2014) received a pink letter from I.C.C. Legal Services (UK) Limited, titled "Notice of Legal Proceedings" saying that I must pay in full (the price has now gone up from £60 to £90). If I don't pay in full or contact them within 7 days it will immediately result in the issue of legal proceedings, which may lead to a judgement against me or lead to a warrant of execution for enforcement by the County Court Bailiff.

The Car Parking Partnership is BPA approved, but none of the letters have included a POPLA code. I have now sent another online appeal, reiterating my point that I don't own this car, and didn't at the time. I also requested that if they reject my appeal they should include the POPLA code.


What should the next steps be? I don't own this car, and didn't at the time of the ticket, and I can't make a POPLA claim unless they give me the code. They have provided me with a contact number for the legal services - should I contact them?

Stroma

You should write to them and make complaints to the bpa and dvla, but before that answer a couple of questions. Did you inform the dvla you sold the vehicle? Have you had any vehicle excise reminders? Do you have receipts showing the car is sold. ?

Guys_Dad

As per Stroma's post above.

You need to know that the PPC applies to the DVLA for the registered keeper's details. The DVLA have supplied your name and address ad that is what is on their records.

You need to ask why that is. If you have failed to notify the DVLA that you have sold the car, then you have further trouble in store.

Redx

as above - selling the car is not the issue at this moment in time , its the fact that for some reason its registered to you, presumably on the DVLA database, which is why you got the letters due to CPP or DR+ getting the RK details from that DVLA database

so thats the first and most important point ! ie:- why are your details still listed on a vehicle if you informed the dvla you had sold it by sending in the sellers slip from the V5C over 12 months ago ?

once you have that sorted out then clearly you can then deal with this better

if it turns out the fault isnt yours and you discharged your legal liability to the dvla in 2013 then clearly you are not liable for the charge from CPP - despite what they say

obviously this would be your defence if it went before a judge too , not that CPP do court afaik , but they have up to 6 years to enforce this "invoice"

Stroma

That is why I asked about the excise duty reminders, if none has been received then obviously the car is not registered with the OP anymore.

In regards to their reply saying it's too late to say I'm not liable as the car is sold, will not wash anywhere, and saying tough pay anyway is bordering on harassment and downright fraudulent, they need a kick up the posterior on that garbage. You cannot be liable for an invoice if the car is not yours!

Brynjaminjones

Sorry guys that it took me so long to reply to this - I've been a bit busy lately!

I'll be completely honest so that you lot know the situation.
I sold the car to my son, so I do know who owns in, as he lives in my house when not at uni!

He sent off the V5C (or whatever the log book is called) straight away in April 2013 but got nothing back. We didn't really think about it too much until I received the tax reminder in February 2014 (after the parking ticket). We straight away contacted the DVLA, and they had never received the log book. We sent off a form for a new log book, and the DVLA records now say that he has been the registered keeper of the vehicle since April 2013.

It was a genuine mistake that his name wasn't on the log book, and it has been rectified and back tracked.


Anyway, since I received the pink "Notice of Legal Proceedings" dated the 21st of May from the I.C.C. I've heard nothing more from them.
As stated in the OP, I sent another appeal to the Car Parking Partnership, requesting the POPLA code, but still have not had a reply.

Where do I stand? I'm wondering if I should send a letter to the I.C.C. explaining that it's not my car, and that any further contact constitutes harassment. The CPP aren't responding to anything now, so I don't know how to go about contacting the POPLA.
What is your opinion on this?

Coupon-mad

Just ignore them like everyone else does. Search this forum for the word 'pink' to find other people ignoring this letter chain. You missed POPLA but - so what really?! Relax.