BEst kind of mattress for a bad back, and where to buy it from!

Tim_Deegan

dz1 wrote: »

Healthbeds Memory Flex is an excellent mattress. It got the highest score out of all the mattresses tested in last years Which magazine test report for memory foam mattresses. It received very high marks in how well it supports the lower back, so that one would be ideal for your husband's back problems. I own it myself and can definitely recommend it for comfort. Mine came with a Coolmax cover, so overheating shouldn't be a problem.

It is quite expensive but will last much longer than a combined spring/memory foam mattress.

Yes the healthbeds mattress is an excellent mattress, and did come out top in the Which Magazine report shown here http://www.mattressman.co.uk/PDF/which_report.pdf
I should also point out that Tempur came out bottom.

However there are a few flaws in the Which Magazine report:

1) they only tested a small range of mattresses (including only 5 that were pocket sprung/memory foam), and none of them were two sided mattresses.

2) most of the manufacturers who feature in the test make a few different models of memory foam mattress, and it appears that none of the top of the range mattresses were featured.

3) their scoring system is a little strange too. 10% of the score is given on what they call convenience. They mention the fact that mattresses containing springs are heavier, and don't have removable covers. Well it's obvious that a mattress containing springs are going to be heavier. As for the non removable covers, this is because the cover in any sprung mattress makes up part of the structure.

4) they actually say that all memory foam mattresses are single sided, will this simply isn't true. A 2 sided mattresswould obviously have done far better in the durability tests.

5) what they say seems to contradict what back specialists are saying (that the best type of mattress is pocket sprung/memory foam)

One good thing that they do mention in the report is the fact that you shouldn't have a memory foam matress that engulfs you (I have been saying this on here for ages, 2" to 2 1/2" is ideal), and a density of around V60 is best, but for people who don't find that comfortable V55 to V70 is the acceptable range.

Now before people start saying that my reply is sour grapes because they didn't feature the mattresses that I sell. Well all I can say is not at all. I understand that they can't test all the mattresses on the market, and that they aren't experts. I do love the fact that Tempur came bottom.:T

dz1

What you fail to declare in your reply is that you have a business interest in combination spring and memory foam mattresses. You currently have about 60 listings for mattresses on ebay. Out of the 60 listings I could not find a single one that was for a mattress without springs. So you are not the right person to be giving advice. Any advice you give is not going to be impartial.

I don't have any business interests to declare. I own the Healthbeds and also own Flexcell mattresses. I have found the Healthbeds to be the best.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

4) they actually say that all memory foam mattresses are single sided, will this simply isn't true. A 2 sided mattresswould obviously have done far better in the durability tests.

You are always pushing 2-sided mattresses because you sell 2-sided mattreses on the internet. You should declare this interest every time you push them on this forum.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

5) what they say seems to contradict what back specialists are saying (that the best type of mattress is pocket sprung/memory foam)

I have seen osteopaths on the internet say the opposite to what you are saying. I can give you name, qualification and contact details of at least one expert who says foam mattresses are better than spring. Can you do the same?

Tim_Deegan

dz1 wrote: »

What you fail to declare in your reply is that you have a business interest in combination spring and memory foam mattresses. You currently have about 60 listings for mattresses on ebay. Out of the 60 listings I could not find a single one that was for a mattress without springs. So you are not the right person to be giving advice. Any advice you give is not going to be impartial.

I don't have any business interests to declare. I own the Healthbeds and also own Flexcell mattresses. I have found the Healthbeds to be the best.



You are always pushing 2-sided mattresses because you sell 2-sided mattreses on the internet. You should declare this interest every time you push them on this forum.



I have seen osteopaths on the internet say the opposite to what you are saying. I can give you name, qualification and contact details of at least one expert who says foam mattresses are better than spring. Can you do the same?

Please get your facts right. I do sell a wide range of beds and mattresses as many people on here know, and I am quite open about the fact. We don't just sell 2 sided memory foam mattresses, we also sell latex foam/memory foam mattresses, and open coil sprung/memory foam mattresses (which are listed on ebay if you look).

Ebay is only one of our outlets, we sell most through our web site. We actually make more profit if people buy the one sided mattresses because they aren't on special offer, so our profit margain is far higher. So don't go throwing accusations around saying that I have a vested interested in people buying 2 sided mattresses.

I push 2 sided mattresses because they are they best type for the consumer. I have spent a great deal of time correcting some of the cr#p that people are often told in bed shops. I don't use this site to advertise otherwise I would gave given a clue to my company name in my nickname. I'm just fed up with seeing people get conned by sales reps who are only interested in making money. The bed industry is full of gimmicks, and non turn mattresses are just one of them. All mattresses should be turned on a regular basis to ensure even wear. If you can turn a mattress over as well as around then is will last longer (common sense).

Who said anything about people who claim to be osteopaths on the internet?? I am talking about genuine osteopaths who have bought our mattresses. I have asked them for their honest opinion, and they have told me. I can give you details, but I'm not going to for the sake of their privacy. I presume you are talking about one of the few web sites who like to give you the impression that they are independant, but are actually owned by Tempur?

benood

I can't really advise on mattresses it's a personal thing, but a few years ago I had a dreadfully painful back which painkillers weren't touching and my GP recommended trying a chiropracter (expensive) it worked like a dream - and I made a full recovery, more recently I cricked my neck and thought I'd go straight off to the chiro - after spending quite a bit of money progress was slow and I swallowed a couple of ibuprofen one evening after a painful appointment where he really attacked one joint - problem solved overnight - was it the chiro or the pills - I've no idea.

dz1

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Please get your facts right. I do sell a wide range of beds and mattresses as many people on here know, and I am quite open about the fact. We don't just sell 2 sided memory foam mattresses, we also sell latex foam/memory foam mattresses, and open coil sprung/memory foam mattresses (which are listed on ebay if you look).

The facts say you are misleading this forum again. I could not even find one mattress out of the many you sell on ebay that does not contain springs, so to say you sell a wide range is utter nonsense. Springs can bend and lose their shape over time. They don't last as long as foam. This is something you never mention when you give advice to people about what type of mattress they should buy.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I push 2 sided mattresses because they are they best type for the consumer. I have spent a great deal of time correcting some of the cr#p that people are often told in bed shops. I don't use this site to advertise otherwise I would gave given a clue to my company name in my nickname. I'm just fed up with seeing people get conned by sales reps who are only interested in making money. The bed industry is full of gimmicks, and non turn mattresses are just one of them. All mattresses should be turned on a regular basis to ensure even wear. If you can turn a mattress over as well as around then is will last longer (common sense).

Springs can bend and lose their shape over time. They don't last as long as foam. That is common sense. The springs in your 2-sided mattress will not last as long as just one side of memory foam, so what is the point of having two sides? No wonder you have them on special offer. If your 2-sided mattress had foam instead of springs it would last much longer.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I presume you are talking about one of the few web sites who like to give you the impression that they are independant, but are actually owned by Tempur?

You also give the impression you are independent when you are not.

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MrSmartprice

Have you thought about a water bed?

I have had sciatica for years and have found that the only way I can get a regular godd night's sleep is on a water bed. They contour exactly to your body so give even support. There are several grades of flotation and ours is fully stabilised. That means the water stops moving in less than a second.

The other advantage is that the water is temperature controlled to your liking, and of course there is no problem with allergies like in a conventional mattress.

If you have back problems it is certainly an option you should consider. I love going on holiday and we go abroad 5 or 6 times a year. But I do miss my waterbed, especially if I'm away more than a week.

Tim_Deegan

dz1 wrote: »

The facts say you are misleading this forum again. I could not even find one mattress out of the many you sell on ebay that does not contain springs, so to say you sell a wide range is utter nonsense. Springs can bend and lose their shape over time. They don't last as long as foam. This is something you never mention when you give advice to people about what type of mattress they should buy.



Springs can bend and lose their shape over time. They don't last as long as foam. That is common sense. The springs in your 2-sided mattress will not last as long as just one side of memory foam, so what is the point of having two sides? No wonder you have them on special offer. If your 2-sided mattress had foam instead of springs it would last much longer.



You also give the impression you are independent when you are not.

It sounds like you need to state your interest.

You keep talking about ebay, as I said ebay isn't my main outlet, my web site is. I presume it was you who searched on ebay for 'tim deegan beds' which was a very ingenious way to find my ebay shop. However as you are so clever you should be able to also find my web site.

Like some people have in the past, you seem to have the hump because I dare to suggest that you haven't made the best choice. The truth is that we will soon be selling Healthbeds products, so it would be in my interest to promote them. However I have given advice on the best types of mattress for back support. Which is pocket sprung/memory foam.

Very true, good quality latex foam can last longer than springs, but even foam mattresses can start to sag if they aren't turned on a regular basis. It is for the very reason that springs can become damaged that they should be turned on a regular basis (both lengthways and over). So as I was saying, the best type of mattress for back support is pocket sprung with memory foam. And if you want to get good life out of that mattress it needs to be 2 sided in order to maximise the life. I tell this to all my customers who buy them.

If I'm not independant, then who do I work for? I sell which ever beds I choose to sell. I'm not employed by any bed manufacturer, and I give honest and helpful advice (as much of my ebay feedback will testify). So I'm not interested in arguing with you in this forum. If you think you are a bed specialist, then feel free to call me (you can find my number on my ebay listings), I have nothing to hide.

Tim_Deegan

MrSmartprice wrote: »

Have you thought about a water bed?

I have had sciatica for years and have found that the only way I can get a regular godd night's sleep is on a water bed. They contour exactly to your body so give even support. There are several grades of flotation and ours is fully stabilised. That means the water stops moving in less than a second.

The other advantage is that the water is temperature controlled to your liking, and of course there is no problem with allergies like in a conventional mattress.

If you have back problems it is certainly an option you should consider. I love going on holiday and we go abroad 5 or 6 times a year. But I do miss my waterbed, especially if I'm away more than a week.

What sort of price would you be looking to pay for a good water bed? Also how much water do they actually hold (I'd be worried about the weight).

Nile

Despite my request, the argument continues.

I've reported this thread to the abuse team and I'll close it pending their decision.

Nile