Estate Agent Fraud????

gary224

I speak now only with the Landlord directly as we both had enough of estate agent.

He told me and he has a invoice of 680 pounds for cleaning fee for when i moved into apartment.

When i moved in nothing was clean to the point of cockroaches everywhere, old crisps packets everywhere, plastic bags and general filth in bathroom, kitchen etc....

So landlord charged 680 for a job never done.

Wud this be considered fraud?

googler

Landlord hires agent.
Agent hires cleaning agency.
Cleaning agency fails to clean properly.
First person to visit after cleaning agency (you?) discovers this.

What 'fraud' do you think has taken place?

Your post title is "Estate Agent Fraud????", but you close the post with "landlord charged 680 for a job never done" .... who do you claim is defrauding you?

maninthestreet

I read it as the EA charged the landlord £680 for cleaning the flat, but the cleaning either never took place, or was not done to a satisfactory level of cleanliness.

gary224

1. Landlord is charged by LA
2. LA does not clean

Bantex_2

gary224 wrote: »

1. Landlord is charged by LA
2. LA does not clean

Surely that is a matter between the Landlord and LA and nothing to do with you.

gary224

Bantex wrote: »

Surely that is a matter between the Landlord and LA and nothing to do with you.

i disagree.

but thanks for the comment

googler

gary224 wrote: »

1. Landlord is charged by LA
2. LA does not clean

LAs aren't cleaners. They hire cleaners on behalf of landlords.

gary224

LA are cleaners. This agent have full time cleaners working for them

Who never cleaned.

Nice try.

anselld

gary224 wrote: »

LA are cleaners. This agent have full time cleaners working for them

Who never cleaned.

Nice try.

As stated above it is not your problem unless the LL tries to charge the cleaning invoice to you. The LL employs and instructs the LA. It is for the LL to deal with the cleaning issue and if they don't like their agent they should sack them and get a new one.

princeofpounds

wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Actually it may well qualify as a fraud.

Often these things end up being civil breach of contract issues because proving the intentional deception part is hard. So then it becomes a question of a service provided badly rather than a service provided fradulently.

But in this case, if nothing was done and you have proof the agents knew it had not been done and claimed it had, maybe.

duchy

The LL instructed LA to clean the property-it wasn't done. Matter is between LL and LA. That bill is nothing to do with you.

If you feel LL should recompense you for you having to clean when you moved in -that is an entirely separate matter between you and LL.

If LL is trying to pass that cleaning bill on to you - hopefully you took time and dated photos of the state of the flat when you moved in -otherwise it's a matter of your word against their's.