F1rst Parking LLP 2013 parking tickets

garricw

Hi there, I just received 4 separate parking tickets from the university carpark for not showing valid permits. I tried to search the web for some of the information but failed to gather any. Would it happen to anyone on here that has dealt with them before?
I know it is a new company, I have no idea about the methods they use to reclaim the fees and whether they are likely to take people to courts?Thanks

AoD

They are on the AOS member-list of the BPA. Was this in England / Wales?

You need to read the Newbies sticky at the top of this forum where you will be guided what to do next.

garricw

AoD wrote: »

They are on the AOS member-list of the BPA. Was this in England / Wales?

You need to read the Newbies sticky at the top of this forum where you will be guided what to do next.

Yes it was in england. I have read them and will appeal to popla as have been rejected by them. I was just wondering if there is anyone who has dealt with them and curious of how far they'd go to reclaim their 'fines'
Thanks for your prompt reply AoD

AoD

Welcome.

As long as you follow the stickies, you will beat them at POPLA so they will never get a chance to take this to Court. I've personally not heard of them before, or heard of any court cases involving them.

ColliesCarer

Hi and welcome
Try using the "Search the Forum" function (top right in green band on main page of this forum) for the University name - the more recent the threads you find the better but don't look at threads any older than 6 mths as advice may have changed.

Half_way

Reclaim the fees? what fees?
does the universality have a parking policy?
Does this policy mention anything about fines, penalties or charges levied as a deterrent? if it does then thats good and will help at popla.

Are you a student, employee, or visitor to the university?

garricw

Half_way wrote: »

Reclaim the fees? what fees?
does the universality have a parking policy?
Does this policy mention anything about fines, penalties or charges levied as a deterrent? if it does then thats good and will help at popla.

Are you a student, employee, or visitor to the university?

I am a student at the university. The university is responsible for giving out the tickets but is not responsible for anything apart from this.
in quote of the university policy regarding parking notices

'Civil Parking Notice

One of the sanctions is the issue of a civil parking notice; parking on University property entails an assumed ‘contract of parking’, the conditions of which are stated on signage at entrances to the University and reiterated in the car parks.

Any breach of these conditions leaves the driver/registered keeper of the vehicle liable to the issue of a civil parking notice by either a parking warden or security officer. The notice gives the driver/registered keeper details of the breach and an opportunity to discharge the debt by payment to the managing company. If the debt is paid promptly (within 14 days) a 50% discount will be applied.'

As far as I know the university does not care about the tickets and therefore will not withhold my graduation certificate (but i still have another year to go) but they currently changed the managing company from Carparking partnership to F1rst Parking LLP 2013 which I am not familiar with.

All I can think of as a reason to appeal to popla is the 'invoice' they require is not a genuine estimate of loss of revenue and that they are not the land owner.

da_rule

Am I right in saying that you have already appealed each one separately and have a POPLA appeal code for each?

Also, how were you 'ticketed', were they attached to the vehicle or did they come through the post?

garricw

da_rule wrote: »

Am I right in saying that you have already appealed each one separately and have a POPLA appeal code for each?

Also, how were you 'ticketed', were they attached to the vehicle or did they come through the post?

Yes I have appealed each ticket individually and each of them is rejected. I do have a popla appeal code for each of them. It was attached to the windscreen each time as well so I cannot say I did not see it

To add on that, on the appeal page on F1rst Parking website I have to be identified to be the driver in order to be able to proceed the appeal. (well i was the driver so there isn't much grounds on this but I read being the registered keeper and the driver does have different effects)

da_rule

Ok, have a look at the Newbies sticky thread and the POPLA appeals templates. Use one of these which refers to No Genuine Pre-estimate of Loss, and remove any reference to ANPR. Also include an appeal point on the signage and no authority/standing.

garricw

Just to add on the information this is what I got from them as a rejection of the appeal


: You now have a number of options from which to choose.
1.Pay the parking charge at the price of £60 Methods of payment :-
Pay online at xxx
Pay by post: CREDIT/DEBIT CARD– Please complete the authorisation slip, on the bottom of your PCN, and send to FIRST PARKING LLP, PO BOX 3322, SOUTH CROYDON, CR2 1JX (please be advised that payment by credit card will incur a 3% surcharge) Cheques & Postal orders should be made payable to FIRST PARKING LLP.
Pay by phone – debit / credit card payments can be made by calling 08443 040 005 (standard rate). Please have your parking charge notice number and card details ready. (please be advised that debit card payments made by phone will incur a £1 administration fee. Whilst any payment by credit card will incur a 3% surcharge)
2. Make an appeal to POPLA – The Independent Appeals Service at xxx.
Please note that if you wish to appeal to POPLA, you will lose the right to pay the charge at the discounted rate of £30, and should POPLA's decision not go in your favour you will be required to pay the full amount of £60.
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us through our debt recovery service and may proceed with Court action against you.

It is the 3 point that is bit dubious that states I owe them money but not the university.