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Private spare bedroom tax.

Just a thought for discussion. I happen to believe in bedroom tax for council properties where an alternative accomodation has been offered.

As the reason for high house prices is often given as lack of available accomodation (supply and demand), might a bedroom tax for private properties lead to an upsurge in lodger rooms etc and a subsequent realignment of the property market. It would certainly make a few quid and could possibly be linked to council tax so that in rented properties the tenant would be liable and for HMO's the landlord would be liable.
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  • Bantex_2
    Bantex_2 Posts: 3,317 Forumite
    andybenw wrote: »
    Just a thought for discussion. I happen to believe in bedroom tax for council properties where an alternative accomodation has been offered.

    As the reason for high house prices is often given as lack of available accomodation (supply and demand), might a bedroom tax for private properties lead to an upsurge in lodger rooms etc and a subsequent realignment of the property market. It would certainly make a few quid and could possibly be linked to council tax so that in rented properties the tenant would be liable and for HMO's the landlord would be liable.
    There is already a "bedroom tax" in private rentals in that LHA will only pay for what is considered the required amount of rooms.
  • theEnd
    theEnd Posts: 851 Forumite
    A property tax?

    Yes.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    edited 8 April 2014 at 8:57AM
    andybenw wrote: »
    As the reason for high house prices is often given as lack of available accomodation (supply and demand), might a bedroom tax for private properties lead to an upsurge in lodger rooms etc and a subsequent realignment of the property market.

    There has already been a massive upsurge in lodger rooms and flatshares, etc, and a realignment of the property market.

    It's how we've housed the millions of additional people while building nowhere near enough houses for decades.

    The market is working exactly as it should in that regard....

    Shortage of housing = prices and rents rise = more people forced to share accommodation in order to ration the limited supply of houses.
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  • nidO
    nidO Posts: 847 Forumite
    Bantex wrote: »
    There is already a "bedroom tax" in private rentals in that LHA will only pay for what is considered the required amount of rooms.

    I think the OP is suggesting that homeowners should have to pay a tax on their own properties if they have empty bedrooms.
    In which case: are you crazy?
  • ukcarper
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    I thought they did already it's call council tax the bigger the house the higher the Tax.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    andybenw wrote: »
    As the reason for high house prices is often given as lack of available accomodation (supply and demand), might a bedroom tax for private properties lead to an upsurge in lodger rooms etc and a subsequent realignment of the property market.

    If the reason for high prices is lack of available accommodation it would seem sensible to build some more.

    More efficient use of property would help (and is happening without a tax penalty) but isn't really going to make houses any cheaper.

    Also seems ethically questionable to tax private homeowners to deal with a problem that is within the government's power to ease.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    ukcarper wrote: »
    I thought they did already it's call council tax the bigger the house the higher the Tax.

    Currently 3 people living in a 3 bed house pay full council tax. A single occupant in the same house would get a discount.
  • ukcarper
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    Currently 3 people living in a 3 bed house pay full council tax. A single occupant in the same house would get a discount.



    But that applies to any size house so the single person in 1 bed still gets discount.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    ukcarper wrote: »
    But that applies to any size house so the single person in 1 bed still gets discount.

    So Council Tax isn't really a proxy for a tax penalising underutilisation of housing - how can it be when discounts are provided for under occupation?

    It's more akin to a straight property tax.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    There has already been a massive upsurge in lodger rooms and flatshares, etc, and a realignment of the property market.

    It's how we've housed the millions of additional people while building nowhere near enough houses for decades.

    The market is working exactly as it should in that regard....

    Shortage of housing = prices and rents rise = more people forced to share accommodation in order to ration the limited supply of houses.

    I think the OP is talking about using the tax system to try to force supply to increase.

    Probably easier to just let builders build houses and people then buy those houses, either to live in or rent out. Maybe that's too obvious.
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