New JSA signing rules

The_ICT_Engineer

We all know the reason for why long term unemployment is rising? Years of slander by this government and the one before. If you keep telling the same misleading facts, People will believe in the end what they are told. For years IDS, Osborne and the rest of the expense fiddler's. Have been repeating the same old statement.

The unemployed are lazy, They don't want to work They rather sleep to noon and spend the rest of the day, drinking, smoking, taking drugs while sat in front of a 52" plasma watching reruns of Jeremy Kyle.

It is hardly surprising many employers have a no unemployed rule when it comes to job applications.

The claimant rate may be falling, but the food bank use is rising, as is the number of homeless, as well as the shoplifting crime rate. As more and more people are hit with long term sanctions, they are dropping out of the system. So the claimant figure will drop. Which is IDS's plan all along.

busy_mom_2

The_ICT_Engineer wrote: »

We all know the reason for why long term unemployment is rising? Years of slander by this government and the one before. If you keep telling the same misleading facts, People will believe in the end what they are told. For years IDS, Osborne and the rest of the expense fiddler's. Have been repeating the same old statement.

The unemployed are lazy, They don't want to work They rather sleep to noon and spend the rest of the day, drinking, smoking, taking drugs while sat in front of a 52" plasma watching reruns of Jeremy Kyle.

It is hardly surprising many employers have a no unemployed rule when it comes to job applications.

The claimant rate may be falling, but the food bank use is rising, as is the number of homeless, as well as the shoplifting crime rate. As more and more people are hit with long term sanctions, they are dropping out of the system. So the claimant figure will drop. Which is IDS's plan all along.

There are several reason why long term unemployment is rising.

Due to the cut in WTC many people with large families are really not much better off in employment, I oftern get asked why should I apply for a job to be £20 a week better off?

Many people lose all self confidence and worth, many schemes do not address this issue or support them.

People using food banks are not just long term unemployed, many are not claiming jsa, mant working people rely on this support. Homelessness is not also just effecting those on benefits.

i never said people make themselves long term unemployed, simply the trap door opens wider the longer you are left on it.

The_ICT_Engineer

busy_mom wrote: »

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People using food banks are not long term unemployed, many are not claiming jsa, mant working people rely on this support. Homelessness is not also just effecting those on benefits.
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I do give a helping hand to our local food bank. We are seeing increasing numbers of long term unemployed, that have been unlawfully sanctioned for the silly reasons. i.e 1 month for arriving 5 minutes for appointment when the bus was late (Near imposable for a job-seeker to prove this).

melysion

Not to mention that the fact the appalling treatment handed out to the unemployed by some JSA advisors will be a main contributor to the loss of confidence and self esteem making long term unemployment more likely.

mro

ilikewatch wrote: »

In my area there isn't a specific criteria, - if your advisor feels that more frequent signing will be advantageous they will use it - it's frequently used if there are suspicions that someone is spending less than 30 hours a week on their job search.

Frequently in what way, suspicions how.

Longer JC job search is only a recent unproven invention, so advisors can't know or check anyway.

Do you think they'll make people attend JC for 30 hours a week to do job search if they are suspicious, clogging up terminals all day ?

mro

busy_mom wrote: »

Pretty much advisers discretion, but there needs to a reason rather tham just not likeing someone. Criteria are normally 18-24 pre work programme, anyone who is needing daily intervention to look at jobsearch, no fixed abode or permanent address, post work programme and long term unemployed to name a few.
After 28th April lots more people will be on daily signing ans the new help to work packages kick in. Daily signing will be for a period of 3 mnths.

Daily signing, daily attendance, the new help to work packages.

More like a package for the Tories & Iain Duncan Smith to crack the whip to prepare for next election.

What a joke !

busy_mom_2

melysion wrote: »

Not to mention that the fact the appalling treatment handed out to the unemployed by some JSA advisors will be a main contributor to the loss of confidence and self esteem making long term unemployment more likely.

And the abuse, threats and appalling treatment JCP staff have to put up with from some customers?

busy_mom_2

The_ICT_Engineer wrote: »

I do give a helping hand to our local food bank. We are seeing increasing numbers of long term unemployed, that have been unlawfully sanctioned for the silly reasons. i.e 1 month for arriving 5 minutes for appointment when the bus was late (Near imposable for a job-seeker to prove this).

There has been many threads re sanctions for lateness and i have commented many times telling people the correct process and if this hasn't been followed then to appeal on the grounds the process hasn't been followed.

There are always two sides to every story and I'm sorry to say that sometime people have recieved a sanction becuse they have filed to comply with JSA regs. That DOESNT mean I agree with the sanction regime and the harshness of some of the sanctions.

melysion

busy_mom wrote: »

And the abuse, threats and appalling treatment JCP staff have to put up with from some customers?

Deal with them as they deserve. You don't need to be treated that way at all. But there's no excuse whatsoever for tarring them all with the same brush. I've heard of appalling stories - such as a JSA advisor referring to a group of job seekers "the s**t is waiting over there". Are you really expecting people to have any sense of worth left after being constantly patronised and spoken down too?

I'm not suggesting you do that by the way. But if you treat people like garbage they begin to consider themselves garbage. Perhaps something your colleagues might want to consider.

busy_mom_2

melysion wrote: »

Deal with them as they deserve. You don't need to be treated that way at all. But there's no excuse whatsoever for tarring them all with the same brush. I've heard of appalling stories - such as a JSA advisor referring to a group of job seekers "the s**t is waiting over there". Are you really expecting people to have any sense of worth left after being constantly patronised and spoken down too?

I'm not suggesting you do that by the way. But if you treat people like garbage they begin to consider themselves garbage. Perhaps something your colleagues might want to consider.

You are correct and thanks for not suggesting I would. The treatment from customers can be appalling. I fail to see why we should have to deal with them, if you abuse hospital staff they can refuse to treat you so i never understand why a sanction cannot be applied to some-one whose behaviour towards staff is so bad they have to be interviewed in a screened room, they are a risk to others so cannot be mandated to attend course and group activities and the louder they shout the more we back away from challenging what they do or dont do in order to seek work.

I have had two ends of the spectrum today, someone who is mid 40's not worked for legally (his words not mine) for 20yrs (not claimed JSA constantly for this lenght of time)and had to be removed from the office by the security today because the decision makers have refused his request to only appy for jobs that are more than £400 per week and involve driving an FLT for which he has no licence. Until he signs an agreement to look for all suitable jobs at minimum wage or above he will recieve no benefit.
Anothe customer today was a lady, has been a lone parent since her husband left her a widdow 9 years ago with three children, she has been claiming JSA for 7 years, always had very low confidence but done eveything asked of her, no sanctions applied at all in the history of her claim. Today she got a job offer and was totally over the moon, TBh so was I for her. :j