Makes you wonder why the South would ever want us or why GB put up with us!!!

Cotta

In answer to my own question it seems to be a zone that offer businesses attractive tax rates in order to setup there.

ripplyuk

NAR wrote: »

But how can we expect the poverty stricken amongst us, on dole and benefits galore, to take an income cut. Surely they shouldn't be expected to cut back on their beer, fags and foreign holidays.

Some people are actually ill, or old! Hope you're never in either position.

NAR

ripplyuk wrote: »

Some people are actually ill, or old! Hope you're never in either position.

Take a chill pill. This was a sarcastic comment aimed at the scroungers amongst us who should not even be on benefits, but have no interest in working as they get so much from the benefits system.

2gorgeousgirls

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

They (pubic sector) do not generate Income !!

Both my husband and I are civil servants, if we don't generate income for the country, where do you think we spend our money?

Believe me our salaries come in each month and, after paying the bills, it is all spent again local shops and businesses with very little left over.

Have you ever thought that cutting public sector jobs will just add to the benefits bill? It will also reduce the amount of money being spent locally thereby affecting local businesses.

Methinks there are many people on the NI board who will use any excuse to bash the public sector without actually thinking things through.

saverbuyer

2gorgeousgirls wrote: »

Both my husband and I are civil servants, if we don't generate income for the country, where do you think we spend our money?

Believe me our salaries come in each month and, after paying the bills, it is all spent again local shops and businesses with very little left over.

Have you ever thought that cutting public sector jobs will just add to the benefits bill? It will also reduce the amount of money being spent locally thereby affecting local businesses.

Methinks there are many people on the NI board who will use any excuse to bash the public sector without actually thinking things through.

It amazes me how few people can grasp this concept but I'll try again.

The government pays your salary. The money to pay you and every other public sector worker had to come from somewhere, it came from the private sector or was borrowed by government.

You thinking your taxes are paying for services is like a snake eating its tail. What you get in salary is many times more than paid in tax.

Also if public sector jobs were cut, instead of the government paying you 20,000 you would get 70 a week and maybe we wouldn't have to borrow £9 billion each and every year.

Of course we needs a public sector, but a massively reduced one.

2gorgeousgirls

saverbuyer wrote: »

It amazes me how few people can grasp this concept but I'll try again.

The government pays your salary. The money to pay you and every other public sector worker had to come from somewhere, it came from the private sector or was borrowed by government.

You thinking your taxes are paying for services is like a snake eating its tail. What you get in salary is many times more than paid in tax.

Also if public sector jobs were cut, instead of the government paying you 20,000 you would get 70 a week and maybe we wouldn't have to borrow £9 billion each and every year.

Of course we needs a public sector, but a massively reduced one.

It would be more than £70 as we have children and my husband is disabled, although he does currently work full time when he actually could just as easily stay at home and claim benefits.

You have failed to grasp my point. I don't get £20,000 a year but what I do get is spent in local businesses therefore I and all the other public sector workers out there are keeping private businesses in work. If I were getting £70 a week, I would not be spending in my local shops and restaurants therefore cutting the public sector will harm our private sector. A point borne out in the news reports recently about the DVA in Coleraine being relocated to mainland UK.

The money paid to public sector workers does come from tax payers, I fully realise that and don't believe I said anything to the contrary in my previous post.

This is a subject that seems to totally rile the private sector but many are too blinkered to realise that without the public sector our local economy would suffer.

As for borrowing £9 million a year, maybe weeding out those people abusing the benefits system would go a long way towards helping to cut that bill.

getzls

NAR wrote: »

Take a chill pill. This was a sarcastic comment aimed at the scroungers amongst us who should not even be on benefits, but have no interest in working as they get so much from the benefits system.

Leave me alone, you're putting me off my Cider.

NAR

getzls wrote: »

Leave me alone, you're putting me off my Cider.

So sorry BTW Magners is only £1 a bottle in Asda at present. :beer:

A.L.D.A

saverbuyer wrote: »

Of course we needs a public sector, but a massively reduced one.

Could not disagree with that.

Over my career I have seen a ballooning of related government and council departments. Departments fragment into myriad different identities in response to government legislation, all with a role and all needing consultation. They do not just add to the direct cost in salaries and accommodation but the resultant, often unproductive work they generate adds considerable costs in the private sector who have to comply etc. Then there are the quangos, do we really need all these people funded by obscure grants etc??? It has to be costing an utter fortune.

To give an example of how this costs all of you. Let us go back to say 1980 Planning application (all) fee £3 now anything from £281 to over £250,000. Building Control was then a free service now fees of at least a few hundred for just minor works. Water Service free now building over agreement, to take an example £180.80 (I think). Housing Executive grants for improvements were then 75% now basically do not exist. Urban regeneration grants 75% now 30% and so on. Grants were targeted then and now are more to do with making a government look like it is doing something, a form of political PR that wastes the time of most applicants and again adds costs into our economy.

I was wondering if there are statistics that show the growth of the public sector, quangos and charities (there are some very strange charities these days, some quangos operate in this manner) from say the 50s to now?

warmhands.coldheart

A.L.D.A wrote: »

Could not disagree with that.

Over my career I have seen a ballooning of related government and council departments. Departments fragment into myriad different identities in response to government legislation, all with a role and all needing consultation. They do not just add to the direct cost in salaries and accommodation but the resultant, often unproductive work they generate adds considerable costs in the private sector who have to comply etc. Then there are the quangos, do we really need all these people funded by obscure grants etc??? It has to be costing an utter fortune.

To give an example of how this costs all of you. Let us go back to say 1980 Planning application (all) fee £3 now anything from £281 to over £250,000. Building Control was then a free service now fees of at least a few hundred for just minor works. Water Service free now building over agreement, to take an example £180.80 (I think). Housing Executive grants for improvements were then 75% now basically do not exist. Urban regeneration grants 75% now 30% and so on. Grants were targeted then and now are more to do with making a government look like it is doing something, a form of political PR that wastes the time of most applicants and again adds costs into our economy.

I was wondering if there are statistics that show the growth of the public sector, quangos and charities (there are some very strange charities these days, some quangos operate in this manner) from say the 50s to now?

Oh and just on the topic of planning service. Remember back in the day when there was the big housing boom and houses were being built left, right and centre, and there were planning applications being lodged in their Hundreds (ref local papers)

Well don't see quite so many now a day.......... I wonder how many of these "Planners" have been let go or in true government style are they just "Parked" in some low paid admin role, though not on the low paid salary, oh no, couldn't have that, still on their same salary of course....