Buying a house, vendor wants £500 for burglar alarm.

Old_Git

do you need an alarm. To me an alarm means you are in a high risk area .

googler

rpc wrote: »

That's more or less the Scottish definition. The English system seems to use a "whatever you can negotiate" approach which leads to removal of carpets, ceiling roses, fireplaces, etc.

The 'definition' comes in the form of standard contract clauses, which are mostly agreed upon when an offer is made and accepted.

An example; paragraph 1, page 4 of this document -

https://www.lawscot.org.uk/media/418745/csc%20third%20edition.pdf

The crucial phrase is 'all heritable fittings and fixtures' - 'heritable' meaning anything of a moveable character that has become part of the property by being attached to the property. This includes solar panels.

In summary, in standard contracts the sale includes
a - all heritables as defined above
b - anything fixed or fitted to the property which by its removal would materially damage the fabric or decoration of the property
c - anything stated to be included in brochures, particulars, or adverts for the property
d - a list of named items, which, if they were in the property when viewed by the purchaser, are deemed to be included.

Exceptions can be made by mutual agreement, but it's generally accepted that negotiation of this sort occurs around the time of offer and acceptance.

If you folks in E&W want to change to a system where this type of stuff is agreed upon early in the transaction, and where you're not debating a F&F list weeks or months after making your offer, lobby your MP.

googler

Old_Git wrote: »

do you need an alarm. To me an alarm means you are in a high risk area .

I've got an alarm, and I wouldn't say I live in a high-risk area.

googler

If they're downsizing, are they REALLY going to take a side-by-side fridge/freezer with them if you don't buy it ....?

jaylee3

LisaLou1982 wrote: »

I dont think you are overpaying for fixtures and fittings.

Its all very well saying that £300 is a lot of money for a second hand fridge, but its not very informed if you havent seen the fridge!!! Ive got a large fridge which was almost £1000 new. If someone was offering it to me for £300 and it was in good condition id snap their hand off!!

£1000! Is it made of gold? Looks like they saw you coming! You can get a fridge for around £100!

£300 for a second hand fridge is way overpriced in ANY language. I don't care how 'fancy' or pretentious it is! I would personally tell them that I don't want anything, before I would pay the prices they're asking for second-hand tat that's not even worth half what they're asking.

And I certainly would not be paying them half a grand for an alarm. As far as I'm concerned, this should be part of the fixtures and fittings. LOL, what a cheek. :rotfl:

System

giraffe69 wrote: »

Section 11 of the Property Form which you should get from your solicitor is all about the Burglar alarm including whether it is to be taken and if not a confirmation that all the necessary documentation will be left. I'd look at that first.

Section 11 of this property form is about Occupiers. No specific section about alarms.

System

Old_Git wrote: »

do you need an alarm. To me an alarm means you are in a high risk area .

Not really thought about it. I wouldnt say it's a high risk area, everyone ignores alarms anyway!

System

googler wrote: »

If they're downsizing, are they REALLY going to take a side-by-side fridge/freezer with them if you don't buy it ....?

They could chuck it on ebay or the local paper I guess. I think they're giving me first dibs at a slightly chancey price.

System

jaylee3 wrote: »

£1000! Is it made of gold? Looks like they saw you coming! You can get a fridge for around £100!

£300 for a second hand fridge is way overpriced in ANY language. I don't care how 'fancy' or pretentious it is! I would personally tell them that I don't want anything, before I would pay the prices they're asking for second-hand tat that's not even worth half what they're asking.

And I certainly would not be paying them half a grand for an alarm. As far as I'm concerned, this should be part of the fixtures and fittings. LOL, what a cheek. :rotfl:

The fridge is same brand and style as this
http://www.365electrical.com/GSL325PVQV_LG-American-Refrigeration.html?referrer=GoogleAdwordsPLA&gclid=CK3Z89zxnL0CFazHtAod1kIAog

I'm going to phone tomorrow and ask how old it is and maybe get a model number. If it's only a couple of years old I'll offer them £250, it's exactly what we want.

I've gone through everything they've offered, and it came to £650 on their prices. I'm going to offer them £400 for the lot (including fridge as above), based on what I've seen selling on ebay.