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CO detector
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so you think the LL should do it as a kindness to you?Your own post prove you wrong. No one has said its a legal requirement.
there is no legal requirement for the LL to provide (or rectify) a CO detector
the LL is running a business not a charity for the provision of freebies to topdaddy, it is his decision whether he replaces it, you have no grounds to challenge a refusal
as you are clearly struggling with basic concepts then a dispute requires a framework for resolution, that framework is either established in law or is established in other less civilised ways which would typically be illegal
either it is required under the regulations (it isn't) or it is written into your contract (we can't see, but I doubt it otherwise you would not be bleating on here). So QED there is no legal requirement you can use, all you can do is appeal to the LL's better nature0 -
As far as I understand it, CO detectors are not mandatory, so if it is not working, it should not be a huge issue.
What rankles with me is that you are choosing to ignore one of the most respected posters on here. Whether or not you agree with what G_M posts, s/he provides invaluable advice on a number of issues several times each day FOR FREE!
I am sorry you are having up issues with your LL but criticising a stalwart of this board who offers nothing but impartial advice is not acceptable IMHO.0 -
Fluff I see what your saying but is it not like a MOT? You get a piece of paper pass or fail with items to be addressed on. In this case I have three sections marked regarding the detector and thats the fault. Ie gas safe once that is rectified.
No, if it had failed the check because of this, the engineer would have turned off your gas supply and boiler, and not allowed you to use it. You either pass the gas safety check and get a certificate, or fail it and the whole appliance is shut down with a warning notice. Your system is either safe to use or it isn't, and your boiler is safe to use without a CO2 detector. 0800 408 5500 is the Gas Safe general enquiries number if you want to check, but everybody has already provided you with lots of information saying the same thing.0 -
so you are agreeing that noone said its a legal requirement then. Appology accepted.so you think the LL should do it as a kindness to you?
there is no legal requirement for the LL to provide (or rectify) a CO detector
the LL is running a business not a charity for the provision of freebies to topdaddy, it is his decision whether he replaces it, you have no grounds to challenge a refusal
as you are clearly struggling with basic concepts then a dispute requires a framework for resolution, that framework is either established in law or is established in other less civilised ways which would typically be illegal
either it is required under the regulations (it isn't) or it is written into your contract (we can't see, but I doubt it otherwise you would not be bleating on here). So QED there is no legal requirement you can use, all you can do is appeal to the LL's better nature0 -
As far as I understand it, CO detectors are not mandatory, so if it is not working, it should not be a huge issue.
What rankles with me is that you are choosing to ignore one of the most respected posters on here. Whether or not you agree with what G_M posts, s/he provides invaluable advice on a number of issues several times each day FOR FREE!
I am sorry you are having up issues with your LL but criticising a stalwart of this board who offers nothing but impartial advice is not acceptable IMHO.
Are you for real. Respected? Reeeeeeally?0 -
No, if it had failed the check because of this, the engineer would have turned off your gas supply and boiler, and not allowed you to use it. You either pass the gas safety check and get a certificate, or fail it and the whole appliance is shut down with a warning notice. Your system is either safe to use or it isn't, and your boiler is safe to use without a CO2 detector. 0800 408 5500 is the Gas Safe general enquiries number if you want to check, but everybody has already provided you with lots of information saying the same thing.
Thats not the issue, the gas is being used and ive never used co detectors in any of my properties before. Im not worried about this system as its relatively new and in a good state of repair. But a cert with remedial actions to be taken seems odd.0 -
Thats not the issue, the gas is being used and ive never used co detectors in any of my properties before. Im not worried about this system as its relatively new and in a good state of repair. But a cert with remedial actions to be taken seems odd.
I work for a building company and my engineers write things like that if there's a detector present and not working, just as if the boiler system is old they'll write something like 'boiler old and inefficient, recommend replacing' in the remedial area - it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced there and then as the system is safe, they just recommend changing it. They've also written something like 'expansion vessel needed recharging, may need replacement in near future' - again not necessary but recommended.
Your engineer recommends replacing the CO2 detector in this case, as they're something useful to have and can protect you from CO2 from any source - it doesn't have to come from your boiler. There's been cases where a neighbours boiler has leaked and killed the neighbouring family.0 -
Thats not the issue, the gas is being used and ive never used co detectors in any of my properties before. Im not worried about this system as its relatively new and in a good state of repair. But a cert with remedial actions to be taken seems odd.
Even with a new system in a good state of repair I would still have a working CO detector in my home the same as I would have working smoke detectors.
Only a couple of properties I've rented have been supplied with CO detectors and it was my responsibility to test the periodically and change the batteries if necessary. Something I was happy to do if it meant not asphyxiating to death.0 -
Even with a new system in a good state of repair I would still have a working CO detector in my home the same as I would have working smoke detectors.
Only a couple of properties I've rented have been supplied with CO detectors and it was my responsibility to test the periodically and change the batteries if necessary. Something I was happy to do if it meant not asphyxiating to death.
And thats your choice. I imagine at some point a new one will be procured.0 -
Given how the thread has moved on, and the tone of more recent comments, I'm not sure why I'm still responding but..remind me what the peice of paper says that he wrote on....oh yeah ya aint seen it. Ill tell you: WARNING THIS APPLIANCE IS UNSAFE(all in red you see)-this bit isnt written....so can YOU stop clutching at straws and advise on topics you have knowledge on.
No - I haven't seen the piece of paper, so my responses are based on what you have said.
You now say the piece of paper (certificate) says "WARNING THIS APPLIANCE IS UNSAFE(all in red you see)".
1) this is new information. Why not provide complete information from the start so as to elicit complete responses.
2) You still do not specify where on the piece of paper this is written. Does "appliance" in this sentence refer to the boiler? the CO detetor? Something else?
Since your entire thread is about the CO detector, I shall assume (please feel free to correct me with further, complete information if my assumption is wrong) the warning relates to the CO detector.
In which case, as previously explained (several times!):
Should LL replace? Answered earlier: is it on inventory? What does the tenancy agreement say?There is no requirement in law for a CO detector, working or otherwise - the engineer saw it, and noted (with a warning in red) it was not working. Very kind of him.
By the way, I have asked 2 (3?) times about your tenancy agreement and inventory. It would be both polite, and constructive, to answer before trashing my replies (just because they don't match your pre-determined hopes).If the boiler, gas fire, gas cooker etc were dangerous, the engineer would have turned them off and stuck a big red notice on them warning you not to us.
He did not.
The (gas) appliances have been checked, and are safe.
You have a certificate.
Law complied with0
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