Valid Section 21 do I have to Leave?

nonnatus

Poor Landlord.


He is NOT being "God Like"!! He had a property to let which he did in good faith. He now wants / needs to sell that property which is his right surely - it BELONGS to him??!!


He has given full TWO MONTHS notice to the tenant who has now decided (having been model tenants previously) to behave like a child, dig their feet in and refuse to move out.


I don't understand how Landlord can be at fault here? Tennant signed a lease detailing that they accepted that if Landlord wanted to reclaim property, they would have 8 weeks to clear out.


Good luck to both parties, but to attack Landlord is bonkers.

pmlindyloo

nonnatus wrote: »

Poor Landlord.


He is NOT being "God Like"!! He had a property to let which he did in good faith. He now wants / needs to sell that property which is his right surely - it BELONGS to him??!!


He has given full TWO MONTHS notice to the tenant who has now decided (having been model tenants previously) to behave like a child, dig their feet in and refuse to move out.


I don't understand how Landlord can be at fault here? Tennant signed a lease detailing that they accepted that if Landlord wanted to reclaim property, they would have 8 weeks to clear out.


Good luck to both parties, but to attack Landlord is bonkers.

I have to agree with this.

The LL has done nothing wrong.

Without knowing why he refuses to negotiate for extra time for the tenants then it is not fair to be so hard on him.

I think it is quite refreshing to find a LL who waits until the tenants are out before selling. For all we know he may want to decorate/get things ready for the sale.

If he allows the tenants to continue to stay there until they find a house then he could be in for a long wait!

I agree with princeofpounds. Getting another rental agreement does not seem unreasonable to me. House hunting can take months. Doing this would save lots of stress on both sides.

jjlandlord

In any case, the landlord has no obligation to negotiate anything.

He seems to prefer to get vacant possession ASAP, that's his right and not unreasonable if he seriously intends to sell soon.

The_Palmist

It is a shame you OP that you are even thinking along the lines of staying up.

LL has done everything by the book and it is up to him whether to accept any of your offers or not.

You need to start packing and start looking.

I am not a landlord by the way and have rented for years but I have to feel for the LL in this case.

mrginge

starfish_chimp wrote: »

Hi Oky, There's some good advice on this thread. Unfortunately many LLs think they are God and can do as they please, throwing people out on the streets at a moment's notice or at whim. They won't be reasonable and won't negotiate with their tenants as they somehow seem to see them as unworthy of any basic respect or consideration. Even when you have been a good tenant and have been happily paying their mortgage!


Nobody likes to fall out with their LL, but on the other hand, did he care about falling out with you, when he refused to negotiate or be reasonable or possibly even civil? It seems he didn't care, but you are meant to? I think in this country we are always taught to defer to those who have more power than us, simply for that reason, though its often dressed up that we should be "nice" to people (who are not nice to us!)

What a crock of ****

BitterAndTwisted

pmlindyloo wrote: »

Without knowing why he refuses to negotiate for extra time for the tenants then it is not fair to be so hard on him.

I have already said in a previous post why I think the landlord won't do this. If I were the landlord I wouldn't want to jeopardise my S21either

I agree with princeofpounds. Getting another rental agreement does not seem unreasonable to me. House hunting can take months. Doing this would save lots of stress on both sides.

PoP makes a very valid point. It's not certain that if the OP finds another property they want to buy that they'd be ready to move in in less than six months.

Staying put would only garner them another two or three months, maybe four and that's not likely to be long enough to find a new property, bid on it, get that accepted, instruct a surveyor, be happy with the survey and negotiate an exchange/completion date and then get moved in.

Okydoky25

Thank you for all your replies.

I am not however acting childish. I have spent all week since the house fell through trying to secure another rental however it's a small town and a high demand. Every call I make leads to a dead end and I am being far from fussy.

True we may not find something to buy soon but more time may help to secure a rental at least.

In regards to the poor LL. I won't bore you with details but he left us without a gas safety cert for nearly 2 months whilst refusing to answer calls or letters so no I don't feel sorry for him.

thesaint

Okydoky25 wrote: »

In regards to the poor LL. I won't bore you with details but he left us without a gas safety cert for nearly 2 months whilst refusing to answer calls or letters so no I don't feel sorry for him.

The details might make it seem more serious than the shortened version to be honest.

Left without gas is one thing, left without a gas cert is another.

makeyourdaddyproud

Mike Tyson is due a visit I think...

starfish_chimp

Okydoky25 wrote: »

Thank you for all your replies.

I am not however acting childish. I have spent all week since the house fell through trying to secure another rental however it's a small town and a high demand. Every call I make leads to a dead end and I am being far from fussy.

True we may not find something to buy soon but more time may help to secure a rental at least.

In regards to the poor LL. I won't bore you with details but he left us without a gas safety cert for nearly 2 months whilst refusing to answer calls or letters so no I don't feel sorry for him.

You sound like a reasonable person Oky. Unfortunately LLs on this forum and elsewhere on the net think they can do no wrong. But hope you got some good advice, which will be rational. I still think its best to get proper Landlord&Tenant legal advice. It might cost you a bit, but at least you can't be strong-armed by unreasonable LL.