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  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    I see you are ignoring most of what I put forward as you do with other people.

    ok I also agree that capital appreciation is part of the over profit of owning property for landlords

    now tell me what that's got to do with your wish for further council house building
  • ukcarper
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    ok I also agree that capital appreciation is part of the over profit of owning property for landlords

    now tell me what that's got to do with your wish for further council house building



    I would have thought it was obvious the council would benefit from all the things any other landlord or home owner would benefit from. For some reason you don't see that.
  • CLAPTON
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    I would have thought it was obvious the council would benefit from all the things any other landlord or home owner would benefit from. For some reason you don't see that.

    no I don't see that

    It is appropriate for individual people to own property for personal benefit or indeed for profit

    but I don't see the role of government as being in business is make profit at the expense of discriminating between random tax payers, giving some people subsidised housing for life irrespective of need or ability to pay at the expense of others more deserving
    nor is it their role to inhibit mobility of their tenants
  • ukcarper
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    no I don't see that

    It is appropriate for individual people to own property for personal benefit or indeed for profit

    but I don't see the role of government as being in business is make profit at the expense of discriminating between random tax payers, giving some people subsidised housing for life irrespective of need or ability to pay at the expense of others more deserving
    nor is it their role to inhibit mobility of their tenants



    You are doing it again ignoring what I have said.
  • CLAPTON
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    You are doing it again ignoring what I have said.

    rubbish I have directly addressed your point about why government should not own housing
  • ukcarper
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    rubbish I have directly addressed your point about why government should not own housing


    No you just go on about property for life at a subsidised rent whether they need it or not and ignore anything I or other people have said about charging rent at a rate appropriate to the tenants ability to pay.
  • CLAPTON
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    No you just go on about property for life at a subsidised rent whether they need it or not and ignore anything I or other people have said about charging rent at a rate appropriate to the tenants ability to pay.

    maybe language divides us

    -remind me where you said anything 'about charging rent at a rate appropriate to the tenant ability to pay'?

    - would you call that a subsidy or not ?

    -why do you object to subsiding the person who has a low income rather than the inanimate property (irrespective of the tenants income)
  • ukcarper
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    maybe language divides us

    -remind me where you said anything 'about charging rent at a rate appropriate to the tenant ability to pay'?

    - would you call that a subsidy or not ?

    -why do you object to subsiding the person who has a low income rather than the inanimate property (irrespective of the tenants income)



    Post 76.


    I would call charging less that going rate a subsidy just as LHA is.


    It would be cheaper in the long run to subsidise someone in a property you own.
  • CLAPTON
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Post 76.


    I would call charging less that going rate a subsidy just as LHA is.


    It would be cheaper in the long run to subsidise someone in a property you own.

    it may or may not be cheaper to subsidise someone who is poor in a property you own
    but social housing subsidies EVERYONE who lives in the 'social' housing whether or not they are poor or need subsidy; it also subsidises them for life whether they or not they need it

    plus it has the other drawbacks that I have previous alluded to.
  • ukcarper
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    it may or may not be cheaper to subsidise someone who is poor in a property you own
    but social housing subsidies EVERYONE who lives in the 'social' housing whether or not they are poor or need subsidy; it also subsidises them for life whether they or not they need it

    plus it has the other drawbacks that I have previous alluded to.



    It does at the moment but that doesn't mean it can't be changed.
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