Email system provision is unregulated in the UK.

vofs007

Uxb wrote: »

I've never worked in a UK regulated industry though I have worked in an industry where the products and more usually their sub-components could if the customer so requested be of an approved regulated type.

The result of this was that

1. customers wanting the regulated version were charged more to reflect our higher costs in dealing with the regulating authority and maintaining approvals.

2. The regulated version was always of an older type with fewer facilities or performance than the unregulated version. This was simply because we could update and change the unregulated version "just like that" but jumping though all the hoops and sorting out the endless paperwork to ensure that the every new version was also regulated was just too much hassle.


Needless to say we used to plead with our customers and their consultants to delete out of the specification the need for such components to be of a regulated type.
I cannot see why regulated email would be any different

Regulated email system provision may cost more but based on the way Ofcom regulates it is unlikely to have the characteristics that you describe.

securityguy

vofs007 wrote: »

Regulated email system provision may cost more but based on the way Ofcom regulates it is unlikely to have the characteristics that you describe.

Well, so far you've convinced absolutely no-one, and your petition is still sat at 24 signatures.

vofs007

The resignation of Mrs Miller is to be welcomed. Let us hope that the new minister is more technically competent and has the consumers interest as a higher priority.

Nilrem

A technically competent minister?
Never.

Although one would who was would probably understand both the futility and uselessness of trying to regulate email providers in the way you seem to want.

RumRat

It would be naive for you to believe that anything is done in government departments based on knowledge of anything.

hjibds

Yes let's all make the ISPs regulate email, now that £10 or so a month for the Internet is now £25 per month.

Anyone technical realises there is absolutely no point in regulating email. You want it you buy a domain and host it, you can then transfer this among providers. What makes you think if you get a bt email address for example that you should own the address? It's a service provided by that ISP that isn't transferable.

To say that ISPs that would be regulated for email would be more desirable is non sense. Would you have the guts to invest money in this believing that people would switch to a more expensive provider for regulated email? Or would you run it at as a social enterprise as with the extra overheads you certainly wouldn't be profitable.

I think a lot of this is you being naive on the technical side of providing an email service.

I can only imagine your ISP of several years is discontinuing their email service and your disgruntled about it.

The ISP market is quite cut throat so companies try and shed services that are under utilised and not profitable. Many people use yahoo/gmail etc for email as they are ISP independent and can be used whoever your connection is provided by.

vofs007

hjibds wrote: »

Yes let's all make the ISPs regulate email, now that £10 or so a month for the Internet is now £25 per month.

Your figures are not correct and unjustifiable.
Any additional cost would be small and could possibly be absorbed by the provider. Most of them claim email is free at the moment.

hjibds wrote: »

Anyone technical realises there is absolutely no point in regulating email.

You do not understand what is being asked for in the way of regulation.

hjibds wrote: »

You want it you buy a domain and host it, you can then transfer this among providers.
Yes we know this but lots of consumers have no wish to do this.

What makes you think if you get a bt email address for example that you should own the address? It's a service provided by that ISP that isn't transferable.

Why should you not own your address ?
There is no technical reason why it is not transferable as explained in the posts above.

hjibds wrote: »

To say that ISPs that would be regulated for email would be more desirable is non sense. Would you have the guts to invest money in this believing that people would switch to a more expensive provider for regulated email? Or would you run it at as a social enterprise as with the extra overheads you certainly wouldn't be profitable.

Again I think you do not know what is being proposed.

hjibds wrote: »

I think a lot of this is you being naive on the technical side of providing an email service.

Based on your ramblings above it is you that is being naive.
You would be safe in assuming that my technical expertise is long and extensive.

hjibds wrote: »

I can only imagine your ISP of several years is discontinuing their email service and your disgruntled about it.

Totally wrong.

hjibds wrote: »

The ISP market is quite cut throat so companies try and shed services that are under utilised and not profitable. Many people use yahoo/gmail etc for email as they are ISP independent and can be used whoever your connection is provided by.

I disagree with the cut throat comment.

Trinitrotoluene

vofs007 wrote: »

Why should you not own your address ?
There is no technical reason why it is not transferable as explained in the posts above.

Can you explain how this will work, technically. Don't say "something can be worked out", because it can't unless the fundamental structure of e-mail changes globally.

tronator

vofs007 wrote: »

Again I think you do not know what is being proposed.

I think nobody knows what is being proposed, apart from maybe 24 people

Nilrem

Trinitrotoluene wrote: »

Can you explain how this will work, technically. Don't say "something can be worked out", because it can't unless the fundamental structure of e-mail changes globally.

Aye, at the moment email works partly (largely) under the basic DNS system.
If you start mucking around with "transferable" emails it becomes massively more complicated at at best you have to separate the email domain from the internet domain or give every email address a unique global identifier which is independent of the shown address.
Both of which would require massive changes and disruption to every ISP, email provider and break a shed load of email clients (especially older ones).
The only other way to do it would require your email potentially being redirected loads of times and increase the email load for all the servers involved (and thus costs), and likely result in it being much more likely to not arrive.

Given that the change over to IPv6 is taking years and that has a very definite and useful improvement to the current system, this idea which has no such underlying improvement is about as likely as scientists announcing they've created a subspecies of porcine with the ability to fly.

Unless of course a politician can be convinced that it'll protect children or stop !!!!!!.