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Is it relative to cost, ie I can run a smart phone for less than they could run a BT line for in the 70s
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In your case quite possibly. We only had one phone line back then and it lasted decades. Now people have mobile, landline, broadband. People often change their phone at each contract renewable either for vanity, function, worn out or simple stupidity.
In our family we have 4 mobiles and landline/broadband. We can readily afford these but many can't.
Forgot to mention the thee PCs, two laptops, three tablets, three wide screen TVs, three lotsof digital audio........
Bring back betamax and they 8 track."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Check this out:grizzly1911 wrote: »Could just as easily be overweight heffers gorging on ready meals, takes outs and macie dees asking for gastric bands, diabetes and heart treatment.
Not to mention health tourists, private botch job reversals, drink and drug overdoses on a weekend crowding out A&E or Henrietta who sprained her little thumb.
Or expensive life saving drugs/treatment that weren't even thought of 20/30 years ago.
Legal claimed for alleged negligence that wouldn't have seen their light of day in years past requiring endless form filling and @rse covering.
Old age has always been a problem.
With increased numbers of older people, we'll see much more need for diabetes and cancer treatments. Loads more 'life elongation' stuff.. forgetting that yes, there are more and more expensive treatments available, we're going to have a glut of old people in a few years time.
Why do you think we're happy to have a bunch of new immigrants in the UK? They bring with them a bottoming out of that graph, and an increase in young people. The NHS runs on a pyramid scheme, needing lots more young people than old, to ensure there's enough tax to pay for it.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Is it relative to cost, ie I can run a smart phone for less than they could run a BT line for in the 70s
In your case quite possibly. We only had one phone line back then and it lasted decades. Now people have mobile, landline, broadband. People often change their phone at each contract renewable either for vanity, function, worn out or simple stupidity.
In our family we have 4 mobiles and landline/broadband. We can readily afford these but many can't.
Forgot to mention the thee PCs, two laptops, three tablets, three wide screen TVs, three lotsof digital audio........
Bring back betamax and they 8 track.
Out of interest does anybody know how much a BT line cost in the 70s + a few calls? I can't find the answer.
I am guessing my 47" 3D cost less than the average TV did in the 70s in adjusted terms.
Dare I say I don't think the spending on gadgets has gone up massively over the years, you just get so much more for the same money these days.Have my first business premises (+4th business) 01/11/2017
Quit day job to run 3 businesses 08/02/2017
Started third business 25/06/2016
Son born 13/09/2015
Started a second business 03/08/2013
Officially the owner of my own business since 13/01/20120 -
No doubt a similar graph could have been peddled out for as given period Hence over the last 100 years.ringo_24601 wrote: »Check this out:
With increased numbers of older people, we'll see much more need for diabetes and cancer treatments. Loads more 'life elongation' stuff.. forgetting that yes, there are more and more expensive treatments available, we're going to have a glut of old people in a few years time.
Why do you think we're happy to have a bunch of new immigrants in the UK? They bring with them a bottoming out of that graph, and an increase in young people. The NHS runs on a pyramid scheme, needing lots more young people than old, to ensure there's enough tax to pay for it.
Old, a relative term, people aren't new and haven't just started. Many will live longer but only need the treatmen/care they would have received at an earlier age years ago."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Out of interest does anybody know how much a BT line cost in the 70s + a few calls? I can't find the answer.
I am guessing my 47" 3D cost less than the average TV did in the 70s in adjusted terms.
Dare I say I don't think the spending on gadgets has gone up massively over the years, you just get so much more for the same money these days.
Not that old but late 80s, quarterly bill inclusive of all calls with as rented(fully maintained) phone was £30 per quarter. Don't have the bill only the amounts. Today I pay £25 per month, provide my own phones plus have 3x contract phones @£18 per month( often more as "special features" get used) and a PAYG.
Individual items may well be less. But a colour TV in the 70s would equate to a top end flat screen interactive TV these days, or more, in relative technology progression. We consume more of them more often in most cases."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
It depends what people want to buy and where I guess. I bought my home in 2009 (aged 26) on a below average wage on my own. I simply sold my flash car, got myself a tatty diesel and stopped spending on unnecessary items. It's not a palace but I call it home!
Your sig says you have a mortgage of 66k which means you bought your home for 70-80k
that simply isn't possible in most places and definitely isn't possible in the SE where a third of the popilation lives
Also its not a bad thing to want good things in life.
we are a first world nation and the average family should be able to comfortably purchase a good 100sqm home.0 -
Out of interest does anybody know how much a BT line cost in the 70s + a few calls? I can't find the answer.
I am guessing my 47" 3D cost less than the average TV did in the 70s in adjusted terms.
Dare I say I don't think the spending on gadgets has gone up massively over the years, you just get so much more for the same money these days.
As technology improves we should have more of everything.
The problem over the last 40 years, if you want to call it a problem at all, is that most of this productivity gain has gone to the old.
Go back even just 50 years and the average retirement was just 3 years and then death. Now the average retirement is about 14 years. So society has given the old 11 more years of leasure time at a yearly cost of some circa £200k a head. So not only is retirement costing society 200k more per person but there are also now a lot more of these persons.
However nothing much can be done about it
the only slight way to improve fairness would be to increase the retirement age quite rapidly to 70 and then maybe push it further towards 72-730 -
When I was a kid in the sixties we live in what would nomillion assed as a slum 2 up 2 down no bathroom, hot water and toilet outside. My parents were on council list and didn't get a house until my younger sister was 11. The only way I would have got a council house when I got married would have been to stay at home with parents and have a child.
The other thing was that in the south east there was not much private rental as most landlords were selling as soon as they lost their sitting tenant.
There was a period in the 70s where the uk population fell slightly for about 4 years yet some 1.2 million additional homes were built during the same time.
compare that to now0 -
But they wont. Do you really think the generation they priced out will give a crap about expensive medical treatments for them and will be paying for them? I dont think so....ringo_24601 wrote: »But they'll all live forever and drain the crap out of the NHS.
What's going to kill the NHS? Baby boomers, in about 10-20 years time, when they all start very slowly falling apart yet never dying.
The boomers will whine on about their ooman rites, whilst the yoof generation will put grandpops on the bonfire if it means they can get a new Iphone 17S.0 -
But they wont. Do you really think the generation they priced out will give a crap about expensive medical treatments for them and will be paying for them? I dont think so....
There is no choice but to pay for it, the only option is does the country
Increase taxes to pay for it
Lower spending elsewhere to pay for it
Try to improve the proportion of young to old.
There is one final salvation and that is technology and medicine lowers the real cost of heathcare....but the chances are they will help current conditions but mean people need even more care at an even older age to die from something else0
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