Would you work full time to gain £42.19 a week compared with benefits?

frugalpam

anewman wrote: »

I have tried this. There's nothing out there and as I said in first post no magic is going to make it happen. The things preventing me getting a job are part of me and unlikely to change unless I get a job. I have been the same for years, I doubt just because I work on things like you say that anything amazing is going to happen and get me a job. I might put together a more sensible thread asking how people overcame problems similar to my own, "work on it" isn't very constructive and provides little means of help unfortunately.

No doubt there are Cognitive Behavioural Therapists out there who specialise in social anxiety etc who could help but that would be in return for ££££ for their time. Unfortunately money makes the world go round.

But why should I be seen as the problem when I can work perfectly fine and independently (as shown by my first class degree classification)? Why is the problem necessarily with me if I can't get a job because I'm poor at social interaction and it kills off the interviews?! I am able to work and willing, why should the interview stop that happening?!

Why should everyone conform to some sense of normality just because people expect it? I think this site is very interesting. It is the view of a person with Asperger Syndrome (a condition typified by poor social interaction skills) of the world viewing them as a problem. If you read it you will probably get a sense of what they feel about the ignorance of the world around them in having everyone conform to norms and conceptualises this phenomena as a disorder in a ICD10 or DSM-IV diagnostic style write up. I'm not saying I'm unwilling to change. I am saying people expecting people to be "normal" is nothing but complete ignorance in a world full of abnormal people.
http://isnt.autistics.org/
I have not been diagnosed with AS myself but it has been mentioned, although I doubt I have seen any specialists who would be able to diagnose me. But as I say if I see my difficulties as part of a syndrome then I'm unlikely to make any effort to change.

Although the situations aren't the same, it reminds me of my brother. After being made redundant from a high powered job, he had a nervous breakdown and severe depression. He suffers from anxiety attacks on a daily basis, and finds it hard to interact in a group of people - even his own family. He is crippled by anxiety and panic attacks.
Thankfully those who understand and love him, support him. The ignorant judge him to be an antisocial ba$tard who should get off his backside and find another job.

Pam

milkydrink

frugalpam wrote: »

Although the situations aren't the same, it reminds me of my brother. After being made redundant from a high powered job, he had a nervous breakdown and severe depression. He suffers from anxiety attacks on a daily basis, and finds it hard to interact in a group of people - even his own family. He is crippled by anxiety and panic attacks.
Thankfully those who understand and love him, support him. The ignorant judge him to be an antisocial ba$tard who should get off his backside and find another job.

Pam

The post title says would "you" bother working for £50 or stay on benefits.
Its about MONEY.
I object to my tax being used to fund him staying at home because he can't be bothered to get out of bed for an extra £200 PM

frugalpam

kimevans wrote: »

The post title says would "you" bother working for £50 or stay on benefits.
Its about MONEY.
I object to my tax being used to fund him staying at home because he can't be bothered to get out of bed for an extra £200 PM

"Can't be bothered'' might well be covering up his/her real reason for not going to work, which might be health/mental health related/anxiety related.

squashy

I would rather work stacking shelves or on a factory production line than claim unemployment benefits. And lets face it you don't have to be Mr Personality to do those. Ok these sort of jobs are probably not in your chosen field but A) they will give you SOMETHING to put on your CV and Your feeling if self worth will be greater as you will be paying your own way.

Good luck x

pandas66

Actually when I think of back to years ago and I did a few part time hours a friend of mine had been on single parents claim style benefits and she said she coulfn't afford (!) to take the job as it would mean a loss of quite a lot of money. She could only work full time and had to be receiving a decent salary to cover the extra benefit she lost!
I was supported by child maintenance in the early years then he stopped paying I got a job.
My friend was on IS and with it came all the council tax/housing/free school meals etc. I didn't receive these any way.
So she needed more initally to get her away from benefits, I needed less IYKWIM as I was already used to finding this money out of my pot!
I know now there 10 years on she still has the benefits calculator in her mind and uses that as her yard stick as to whether 'she can afford' to work or not. I have have always said I have to work.

milkydrink

pandas66 wrote: »

Actually when I think of back to years ago and I did a few part time hours a friend of mine had been on single parents claim style benefits and she said she coulfn't afford (!) to take the job as it would mean a loss of quite a lot of money. She could only work full time and had to be receiving a decent salary to cover the extra benefit she lost!
I was supported by child maintenance in the early years then he stopped paying I got a job.
My friend was on IS and with it came all the council tax/housing/free school meals etc. I didn't receive these any way.
So she needed more initally to get her away from benefits, I needed less IYKWIM as I was already used to finding this money out of my pot!
I know now there 10 years on she still has the benefits calculator in her mind and uses that as her yard stick as to whether 'she can afford' to work or not. I have have always said I have to work.

Thing is this man isn't a mother who has to think about whether he will have enough to feed his kids.
HE ADMITTED HE WILL BE £200 PM BETTER OFF, but thats not enough to make it worthwhile for him & hes above menial minimum wage jobs.:mad:

pandas66

kimevans wrote: »

Thing is this man isn't a mother who has to think about whether he will have enough to feed his kids.
HE ADMITTED HE WILL BE £200 PM BETTER OFF, but thats not enough to make it worthwhile for him & hes above menial minimum wage jobs.:mad:

no I know, it was just a comparison of thoughts I was was saying. My friends 1st thought was how much would she loose, mine was how much more will I earn?

Fran

frugalpam wrote: »

I make it a rule NEVER to wade into threads like this - today is an exception.

None of you know whether or not he/she has a health problem/mental health issue because you have never met him/her. If you doubt whether he/she is genuine or not, avoid the thread. And if he/she has a genuine health/mental health issue, then I hope they get the support they need elsewhere.

Pam

I agree Pam.


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Please do not make this thread personal.

tigtag02

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

You really don't want to turn into another studentphil ...

SS - it actually crossed my mind that this was he

liney

Would you work full time to gain £42.19 a week compared with benefits?

Definately. Firstly you would be better off financially. Secondly, it would build confidence by dealing with people daily. Thirdly, the longer you are unemployed, the less employable you become; working at any organisation even at the bottom will enable you to apply for promotion and have work experience to show for it.

A degree nowdays does not mean you will get a bunk up on the career ladder. You do not 'deserve' a better job because you have a degree and no one 'should have given you a job by now'.

As you are not a good communicator concentrate on getting any job, and show the company you are an A1 employee. Lots of people can talk a good game, but don't play one afterall.