PIP claims - first official statistics released.

tinkledom

Indie_Kid wrote: »

How short sighted of you. It's possible (as is the same with ESA) that they went to tribunal and then won, or had a reconsideration and won. Would be interesting to see if there are any stats on this.

I compared like with like. DLA v PIP before any reconsiderations and/or appeals.


10% less applicants for PIP are being given awards at first application over the number given under DLA on first application.


PIP is therefore having the desired effect of reducing the overall budget by 20% in monetary terms.

tinkledom

Lancashirehotpot wrote: »

63% failed to get an award!!

Oh yes - 63% - need a new pair of specs!


Under DLA it was approx 53% who failed to get an award.

rogerblack

tinkledom wrote: »

Oh yes - 63% - need a new pair of specs!


Under DLA it was approx 53% who failed to get an award.

This is making the truly massive assumption that the selection of cases so far is a random one.
This seems very unlikely to be true.

tinkledom

rogerblack wrote: »

This is making the truly massive assumption that the selection of cases so far is a random one.
This seems very unlikely to be true.

It seems a pretty fair spread:

On 8th April 2013, PIP was introduced as a controlled start, for new claims from people living in the North West and part of the North East of England.
On 10th June 2013, PIP was introduced for new claims for the remaining parts of Great Britain
From 28 October 2013, DWP started to invite DLA claimants living in Wales, East Midlands West Midlands and East Anglia to claim PIP


I think it is a fair representation that is giving an indication that PIP is working and the 20% saving is on target.

CTcelt1988

Don't feed the troll ie Tinkledom.

rogerblack

Making some possibly unwarranted assumptions - as there are no published statistics.
The intended aim of PIP over DLA is to reduce the expenditure by 20%.
In 2010, new claims were being awarded DLA at the average rate which about equalled the high rate care rate - about todays equivalent of 80 pounds.

About 45% of new claims for DLA eventually resulted in an award.
Around 37% of PIP are - which is about smack on 80%.
This implies the average award for PIP - if everything is going to plan - is again around 80 pounds.

Of the 220K new claims for PIP - for those not terminally ill - it seems likely that 80K or so will eventually get PIP.

80K * 30 weeks * 80 pounds = 200 million pounds.
By delaying decisions about those least able to cope.

Poppie68

What im confused about is that i thought all DLA renewels were being assesed for PIP...i had cause last week to phone the DLA and asked when they will be sending the PIP forms out to me...my DLA ends the end of August...he told me i won't be assesed for PIP it will still be DLA, is this correct?

Indie_Kid

Poppie68 wrote: »

What im confused about is that i thought all DLA renewels were being assesed for PIP...i had cause last week to phone the DLA and asked when they will be sending the PIP forms out to me...my DLA ends the end of August...he told me i won't be assesed for PIP it will still be DLA, is this correct?

I won't be that surprised if they're so far behind that those who are coming up for renewal are being kept on DLA. I know someone on here said that her sons DLA (he turns 16 soon) will be kept as DLA until they're invited to claim PIP. It would have normally been around about now, I think. But they're very far behind.

fed_up_and_stressed

Poppie68 wrote: »

What im confused about is that i thought all DLA renewels were being assesed for PIP...i had cause last week to phone the DLA and asked when they will be sending the PIP forms out to me...my DLA ends the end of August...he told me i won't be assesed for PIP it will still be DLA, is this correct?

Link to timetable for pip roll out


http://https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/275656/pip-toolkit-factsheet-reassessment.pdf

Poppie68

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Link to timetable for pip roll out


http://https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/275656/pip-toolkit-factsheet-reassessment.pdf

Very helpful and things alot clearer now...as i don't live in any of those areas or under any of the postcodes i now know it won't effect me this time around...thank you