Civil Enforcement Ltd - can they pursue RK?

Coupon-mad

The words are no genuine pre-estimate of loss - YES, mention those words.

Can you also show us CEL's sign please even if you can only get a pic in a day or two?

Frannybobs

Coupon-mad wrote: »

OK, show us both sides of it, as they were not using these at all recently. Host the photos on tinypic or photobucket and break the link by removing the http:// and putting a gap in (as you are still a newb).

By they way it matters not, you will still win at POPLA. Just interesting info, that's all.

Like this??? It's the front only but i'll check what's on the back. Part2 is the "small print" on the payment slip which I think is most pertinent, but I can't see where they've not complied

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i1343.photobucket.com/albums/ o783/Frannybobs/PCNPart2_zpsafbf45d3.jpg

bod1467

Frannybobs wrote: »

Like this??? It's the front only but i'll check what's on the back. Part2 is the "small print" on the payment slip which I think is most pertinent, but I can't see where they've not complied

http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Frannybobs/media/PCNPart1_zps948acb99.jpg.html

http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Frannybobs/media/PCNPart2_zpsafbf45d3.jpg.html

Fixed links.

Frannybobs

Nothing on the back.

Can anyone see where they are non-POFA compliant for the letter, cos they seem to fulfil all the criteria from what I can see?

Nodding_Donkey

Well I've only had a quick look but I can't see where they have named the creditor.

Frannybobs

Thanks for all your advice. We went with the non-POFA argument and used the draft letter from the link the Newbies thread

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/64211294#Comment_64211294

The guy on that thread got it canceled straight away from CEL and that was less than a month ago, so fingers crossed we get the same result. Otherwise we'll use the same appeal with POPLA.

Coupon-mad

Frannybobs wrote: »

Nothing on the back.

Can anyone see where they are non-POFA compliant for the letter, cos they seem to fulfil all the criteria from what I can see?

Nothing from POFA2012 paragraph 9 is on that actual main body of a 'PCN' - I'm a bit amazed you think it is! It's simply a matter of seeing if the statutory wording linked in the NEWBIES thread, is on there. It is not.

The payment slip is not part of the legal 'document' but is the only place they mention POFA2012 (wrongly because the above document is not compliant). Definitely worth a complaint email to the BPA and DVLA as I first suggested in an earlier reply - PPCs were banned by the DVLA for this in 2012.

4consumerrights

That payment slip needs editing as it is showing details - BOD please and also OP.

And yes agree with coupon - complain to BPA and DVLA

Frannybobs

4consumerrights wrote: »

That payment slip needs editing as it is showing details - BOD please and also OP.

Thank you for that! Stupidly hadn't spotted the identifiable details on the payment slip part, now blanked out.

Frannybobs

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Nothing from POFA2012 paragraph 9 is on that actual main body of a 'PCN' - I'm a bit amazed you think it is! It's simply a matter of seeing if the statutory wording linked in the NEWBIES thread, is on there. It is not.

The payment slip is not part of the legal 'document' but is the only place they mention POFA2012 (wrongly because the above document is not compliant). Definitely worth a complaint email to the BPA and DVLA as I first suggested in an earlier reply - PPCs were banned by the DVLA for this in 2012.

I didn't realise it had to be in the main body of the PCN and that if it was on the Payment Slip only it didn't count...as it was all there on the Payment Slip part that's why I thought it complied. Thanks for clarifying.