Would like a message to pop up to say lappy connected to router

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agrinnall wrote: »

I refer you to bod's answer in post #17 - are you suggesting this is "an old wives tale"?

Try it for yourself and see

The connection speed should be negotiated and be based on the line conditions at the time

bod1467

closed wrote: »

Try it for yourself and see

Many people have - depending on the ISP it can cause havoc.

closed wrote: »

The connection speed should be negotiated and be based on the line conditions at the time

Important word in bold. This is the ideal situation - unfortunately some ISPs don't deal in ideal, they deal in "keep a working connection to minimise our 'at fault' call-outs, and who cares if the customer's connection is strangled".

tyllwyd

PlusNet recommend leaving it on all the time
http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/speed_guide/speed_tips.shtml#router


"2. Leave your router switched on

Leaving your router on will make sure you get the best speed and performance from your service.
Don’t switch it off at night! Regularly switching off your router can make it look like your service is disconnecting. If this happens, your broadband speed will be reduced because the exchange thinks your line is unstable and can’t cope with higher speeds. Speed reductions are never permanent, but it can take up to 3 days before your speeds return to normal."

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which isp does it cause havoc on then?

I've done it and know people on BT, talk talk, virgin, sky, who do it, and it doesn't cause havoc at all. There are plenty of people on this forum who switch off when not needed, without any complaints of havoc. And, I'll repeat, not so long ago, it was the norm that people disconnect and reconnect adsl modems before routers became ubiqitous.

securityguy

closed wrote: »

Try it for yourself and see

The connection speed should be negotiated and be based on the line conditions at the time

Not since DLM was introduced.

You can read a summary here:

https://ttb.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/651

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DLM is Dynamic Line Management, a fully automated monitoring system which runs on broadband ADSL lines. The system runs 24/7 and is designed to help keep the line stable. It does this by applying different profiles to the line based on the current line conditions

If the DLM detects errors, dropping connection or low sync rates it will lower the throughput of the line and/or increase the error correction on the line in order to help keep the line healthy. The profile will be updated within 75 minutes of the issue occurring.

The profile will then remain unchanged until the condition of the line improves

You're assuming dlm (if implemented) can't tell the difference between a constantly bad connection/low sync rate, and switching the router off overnight, or once/week or month, and is unable to up the profile when line conditions improve, which it's what it's supposed to do.

bod1467

closed wrote: »

You're assuming dlm (if implemented) can't tell the difference between a constantly bad connection/low sync rate, and switching the router off overnight, or once/week or month.

Do you read the BT Forums at all? Try explaining this there and see what sort of response you get.

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I'm sure I could read many forums, and see complaints about speed, but that doesn't prove or disprove your theory, especially as most people seem to leave the router on all the time. Your theory is if I (or anyone) turns off my/their router, and turn it back on, my sync and download speed will die and remain slow forever, it doesn't.

agrinnall

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Your theory is if I (or anyone) turns off my/their router, and turn it back on, my sync and download speed will die and remain slow forever, it doesn't.

What? I've never seen anybody suggest that, because it would be a ridiculous thing to do. What we are all saying, because we've all experienced it, is that DLM sees the switch off as a dropped connection, so may take some time - it could be a few minutes, a few hours, or even a few days - to return to full speed. You seem to be saying this never happens and that full speed returns as soon as the router is switched back on, and it just isn't so.

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agrinnall wrote: »

is switching off the router when not in use - while this might save a few pence it is of course absolutely the worse thing that could be done for connectivity purposes.

several people including you are arguing the point, along these lines, and will probably continue to do so forever.

In my experience, switching off the router does not produce the effect you describe, I and others do it all the time.

[quote=[Deleted User];64507714]Yes - I'm somewhat puzzled by this difference in opinion. I tried leaving the router on for several days and turning it on when needed - I have tested the speed on each occasion, and it made no difference whatsoever whether the router is left on or turned off. I believe in if you don't need an appliance on, then turn it off - irrespective of power consumption and money saving. Nevertheless, I would like to hear other peoples' opinion on the subject. I'm away for a few days, so I won't be able to pick up any replies, but I will be keeping an eye on this thread.[/QUOTE]