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Just received a speeding fine in the post from Spain!

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bevawelly
bevawelly Posts: 19 Forumite
edited 25 January 2014 at 1:05PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
It looks legitimate, the dates etc match up and I am not denying that I probably was speeding (I drove 600km in Spain so my husband could go fishing!)

It has been issued by "Servei Catala de Transit" and says I must pay a reduced fine of 50 euros within 20 days or it will then go up to 100 euros.

Has anyone else had a fine from Spain? If so, did you pay it? I am just wondering what the implications are if I don't pay it i.e. what action could be taken against me?

Many thanks to anyone who can help!
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  • bargepole
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    bevawelly wrote: »
    It looks legitimate, the dates etc match up and I am not denying that I probably was speeding (I drove 600km in Spain so my husband could go fishing!)

    It has been issued by "Servei Catala de Transit" and says I must pay a reduced fine of 50 euros within 20 days or it will then go up to 100 euros.

    Has anyone else had a fine from Spain? If so, did you pay it? I am just wondering what the implications are if I don't pay it i.e. what action could be taken against me?

    Many thanks to amyone who can help!
    They can't take any action against you in the UK.

    If you're planning to go back to Spain in the near future, you might get stopped if it's the same vehicle, but otherwise just bin it.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • Many thanks for the reply. Do you mind me asking how you know that though? I just don't want to risk being sued - I have a clean credit rating at the moment!
  • arcon5
    arcon5 Posts: 14,099 Forumite
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    You admit you was speeding so pay the fine, problem solved!

    Otherwise lets hope your details aren't stored somewhere in case you go back to Spain in the future.
  • Iceweasel
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    Despite the UK, Ireland, and I think Denmark not signing up to the agreement on traffic offences within the EU, the Catalonian police have your car details and even access to your passport number.

    How do you think they managed to send you the fine?

    I would be very wary of ignoring this if I had any intention of driving abroad with the same car or passport.

    Certainly returning to Spain (even on a flight to a holiday island) would possibly bring up your details as a non-payer.

    I know that the UK does not chase foreign drivers who get caught by cameras etc. unless it's repeat offender truck-drivers. But tit for tat ignoring on that basis might not be a good idea.

    25 EU countries signed up to a shared data-base for traffic offences. So it's not just Catalonya who will have access to your driving offence history.

    I was stopped in a routine check in Germany last year and they knew all about me - they smiled and said I must be a law-abiding soul as the data base showed a clean licence. Scary 1984 big brother stuff.

    I would treat it is an extra tax on your journey and just pay up.
  • Thank you for the reply.

    I was driving a hire car, so they must have got my details from the car hire company. So I won't be needing to drive the same car again in Spain but I didn't think about them having my passport number (which they can obviously get from the car hire company).

    I think you're right and I need to pay up and learn a lesson from it!
  • Iceweasel
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    Yes - I would be paying too - there is a big temptation not to pay, but I can assure you that things have changed a lot in the last couple of years.

    If you have hired a car - not only might they have your passport number - but they will likely have your driving licence number too.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,971 Forumite
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    bevawelly wrote: »
    Thank you for the reply.

    I was driving a hire car, so they must have got my details from the car hire company. So I won't be needing to drive the same car again in Spain but I didn't think about them having my passport number (which they can obviously get from the car hire company).

    I think you're right and I need to pay up and learn a lesson from it!



    I agree with Bargepole. Bin it, and we do know about these (Google it).
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Iceweasel
    Iceweasel Posts: 4,882 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    I agree with Bargepole. Bin it, and we do know about these (Google it).

    Very interesting comments there Coupon-mad.

    I have great respect for your opinions and advice so I need to ask -

    Are the Catalonians trying on a scam against innocent motorists, or

    are you suggesting that we ignore speed limits when we are abroad.

    Surely not.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,971 Forumite
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    Are the Catalonians trying on a scam against innocent motorists, or

    are you suggesting that we ignore speed limits when we are abroad.

    Neither. But as Bargepole said, they can't take any action against you in the UK.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
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    edited 26 January 2014 at 1:52AM
    Iceweasel they get the details from companies like Euro Parking Collection who deal with this kind of thing, they are in the aos and basically scam on behalf of police and local authorities abroad.
    Due to increasing international travel by car and the high number of cross border traffic violations committed by foreign registered vehicles or by vehicles registered outside the country where the violation took place, Euro Parking Collection plc (‘EPC’) has been authorised by various Issuing Organisations throughout Europe to act on their behalf in administering the issuing of penalty notices.

    http://www.epcplc.com/

    They cannot access passport or driving licence details, I'm sorry but that is utter garbage, they simply got RK details from someone like the above. Or if hired through the company involved. They are basically powerless and cannot enforce anything.

    As you know we don't endorse anything illegal, but the situation is the same here with foreign car owners
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
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