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  • Bradden
    Bradden Posts: 1,202 Forumite
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    No .. this was my edit. In my appeal they they did not state who the landowder is.. the only reference is the "De Vere". However it's probably easier if I remove this.

    I'll amend it to:

    4) NTK - no keeper liability.
    The NTK fails to identify the 'creditor', state a 'period of parking' or meet the requirements of POFA. It could be 'UKCPM',the landlord,'CPM' or 'UK Car Park Management” all of which are mentioned on signs/letters/Notices, leading to uncertainty about who the creditor might be. Alternatively, the creditor could be the owner or lessee of the land, or a managing agent or CPM's client, or another party. It is not for me to guess who the creditor is.


    Should I also include copies of my appeal to CPM and their response in my POPLA appeal?
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,410 Forumite
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    Should I also include copies of my appeal to CPM and their response in my POPLA appeal?

    Only if they are specific to any points about them you are raising in your appeal. However, CPM should include these in their evidence pack to POPLA in response to your appeal (and they - CPM - are required to copy you in too).
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Bradden
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    Thanks.. I didn't know that have to copy us in on their response.
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,410 Forumite
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    Bradden wrote: »
    Thanks.. I didn't know that have to copy us in on their response.

    They are certainly supposed to, but some are (like many things in this game) playing fast and loose by not sending the evidence pack to the motorist, or so late as to not give the motorist sufficient time to rebut any of the evidence (which you are allowed to do).
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Bradden
    Bradden Posts: 1,202 Forumite
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    Just had an email... they've upheld me appeal!

    Thank you all for your help.. it's really appreciated.

    Just for the record the reason given:

    It is the Appellant’s case that the parking charge notice was issued
    incorrectly.
    The Operator has not produced a copy of the parking charge notice, nor any
    evidence to show a breach of the conditions of parking occurred, nor any
    evidence that shows what the conditions of parking, in fact, were.
    Accordingly I have no option but to allow the appeal.

    Shehla Pirwany
    Assessor
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    excellent news , CPM lose

    please post the assessment etc in here (minus any personal info)

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4488337
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