Railway station parking fine - weekly permit

Loxias

Hi there,

I've checked the other posts and can't find an answer to my question so I shall ask it here.

A week and a half ago I was issued with a parking penalty at Stoke Mandeville Railway Station. The penalty was issued at 11:42am on Thursday morning. The previous night I had bought a weekly parking permit online from Ringgo, who I always by my ticket with - I generally select a 7:30am start time and as it is a weekly ticket it automatically expires at 23:59 seven days later. For some reason it appears I selected 7:30pm (possibly because they stopped using a 24hr clock) so they have issued me with a £100 fine.

I have appealed, and it was rejected, but I am going to appeal again to POPLA now I have the option.

My main question is - if I have paid for a weekly (seven day) ticket, and they choose the expiry time at 23:59, then surely for my ticket to be valid for the seven days I have paid for, it should start at 00:00am irrespective of what start time I select. I mean, if I choose 7:30am to start, then surely it should finish at 7:30am seven days later, otherwise I am not getting what I pay for. Is this a valid argument?

Thanks for any help - I'd like to send my appeal off tomorrow (also, the £100 fine is more than 4 times what I pay for a weekly ticket!!!).

spacey2012

POPLA do not allow mitigation.
You need to get this in your head or you are wasting your time.
Read the POPLA guides, they do not mention mitigation because it does not and never has worked.

Kite2010

Stoke Mandeville, so it's Chiltern Railways, whose PPC of choice is Meteor (I think)

Just go down the route that the PPC's charge isn't a true reflection of their actual losses (limited to zero as you purchased a ticket) and they have no contract.

Coupon-mad

Same as here, please stop focussing on 'what happened' which is irrelevant:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=86407&st=0&p=916423&#entry916423

Please don't rush off a LOSING POPLA appeal pointlessly trying to make a valid argument about stuff that will NOT win it for you! You only need to read 'How to win at POPLA' and you must get it right. The code is valid 28 days from rejection date if it was generated that day (which is covered in the sticky thread for NEWBIES at the top of this forum, along with 'How to win at POPLA').

Have you already given away who the driver was in your first appeal - DOH - hope not?!

prjohnsonnn10

Just go with the standard GPEOL approach and you will win with MET on Chiltern railway property. Nothing else is required. I have won 3 on this basis ( i actually had bought a ticket later in the day on each occasion and so had also 'paid' for parking technically)

Your issue will be getting them to issue a POPLA code though....MET wrote to me a few months ago with a statement saying they would not be issuing me with any more POPLA codes as they 'have a duty to mitigate their costs...'. !!

Yes its in breach of everything they state as regards adherence to BPA code etc etc and currently i am pushing them to explain exactly WHO or WHAT their independant appeals process is...unsurprisingly they are declining to reply to me!!

Final point is that if pushed they will confirm they are indeed collecting charges at these Chiltern station under 'byelaws'............ so you can also just write to them as i did recently stating that their tickets , correspondance and NTK are all in breach as they plainly reference PoFA . they have subsequently confirmed to me that this was an '"administrative !rror" (which BTW has been going on for 4 years!) and they will be looking at changing the wording now and they cancelled the ticket to me.

Your choice as to which route you take but bottom line is they are breaching procedures and codes of conduct left right and centre.