Please Help (PCN) this has gone on far too long

Redx

ok, well that answers that then lol

I stand by the rest of what I said though, so any dialogue would have to be getting all future paperwork to go to the OP (RK) address only to take the pressure off the partners mum and off her address

Coupon-mad

But they won't, they'll use the address they got from the DVLA. Unless the OP names the driver which I cannot for the life of me see the point of when this is nearly over bar the shouting. People have happily ignored this letter chain for years...that's why Rossendales features in the OLD (pre-POFA) link in the sticky 'PPC Letter Chains' with pics of this letter chain ignored for years up until 2012 (the only real change then being that POPLA arrived!).

And we don't even know which PPC it is do we?! Could be UKPC or Euro Car Parks or someone like that, who never tries court and wouldn't have a clue!

I think the OP was at first, believing the 'doorstep collection' letter - does NOT happen. These are NOT bailiffs despite the firm of the same name who are.

Redx

muddy waters, I agree

my suggestion was in order to stop the OP worrying about this disabled persons house getting more letters, clearly these DC and PPC people have their own agendas

I got the impression they were more worried about that persons address receiving letters or "door knockers" than the actual PCN or alleged debt

clearly they dont seem to realise it cannot be done until after a defaulted CCJ . so as usual its baseless fears which are unfounded in this case

not sure the OP read what I said earlier so I will repeat this again for further clarity

They do not care what you want - they dont care about you either
They wont be interested in opening a dialogue with you
They just want their money - period

your choices are actually the following

PAY

IGNORE

GO TO COURT

and no, we still dont know who the PPC or creditor or landowner is, nor do we know if the OP has approached the landowner either (doesnt look like it though)

HO87

@plot64

Before we go any further it would really help - in advising you as to the likely and useable scenarios available here - if we knew who issued the original PCN.

As other posters have been at pains to explain to you debt collectors have no more power than you or I to enforce a debt. Period. Furthermore, they only get paid if you pay so there has to come a point where they simply aren't prepared to invest anymore of their time and effort (and utlimately money) in chasing shadows.

That means they can only ever ask you to pay although they do not want you to know that and so dress their demands up to make them look and sound threatening. They do go away in the end. Very rarely do debt collectors actually "buy" debts so they can pursue them as their own and even more rarely has there been evidence of that in respect of PCN's. No debt collector is going to spend even more money - beyond what those letters have already cost them - to chase a mere £100 or so because there will be nothing left of the debt if they did. You are responding to these chancers' foot-stamping in exactly the way they want - remember all they can actually do is to ask for the money. If I was to rock up at our front door and demand £150 because you had read my advice, would you pay me? Of course not.

Stop believing the hype and get your feet firmly fixed on the ground. The percentage of PCN cases going to court, even now, is extremely small. And don't think you will be the "one" because the law of averages suggests otherwise.

As for getting the PCN clock reset, it would help if we knew the issuer - again - but disclosing the driver's name and address is permissible right up to the point of court proceedings being issued (and you are nowhere near that). As the driver is entitled to appeal (and hasn't done so on the basis of what you have posted so far) then that ought to be possible.

Besides all of that. Chill. Have a mug of tea/coffee glass of wine/beer/mineral water - your choice - and watch the world go by for a bit. Stop fretting so much - we can guide you through this.

Coupon-mad

When we came back to the car there was a PCN on the windscreen

So the driver will NOT be sent a new PCN, why would they? As HO87 said there is nothing to stop the keeper naming the driver (but only to protect your partner, not to be under any illusion about resetting the clock and getting a new PCN - will NOT happen). Personally, I would NOT do it, can't see why you would hand them info at this late stage unless your partner is much less able to handle the junk mail than you? Surely her parents can just hand you both each letter until it ends (and it will). It is a well-known letter chain after all as I said, it's in the 'pre-POFA Oct 2012 letter chains' link in the PPC letter chains sticky thread (have a look!) and has been ignored for years.

But we need to know who the PPC was?

plot64

@coupon-mad - so you're saying not to bother with any comms, just wait and see if they try to take us to court? At which point either pay up to avoid, or go to and make our case to the judge and see if he thinks that is worth cancelling the ticket?

The obvious concern with continued ignorance is increased fees or an increase in the amount due. Currently at £146.

The PPC we're not sure of because we lost the original ticket and some of the early letters. My partner thinks the company was VCS, as in http:/ forums.pepipoo .com/index.php?showtopic=74114

Coupon-mad

VCS only very rarely do court...and it's very defendable.

I feel you are just getting twitchy about nothing, just because you were spooked by the letters. So yes, ignore it is my recommendation, but keep all letters now just in case you did need to defend. Why not look at the PPC letter chains old pre-Oct 2012 link and see if you can spot the old Rossendales letters (would be listed under VCS or Excel or any other PPC that used that letter chain).

If you want to 'fight' then the time to do that would be if your partner got a VCS 'Letter before Claim' (not from Rossendales). Even if it went to a small claims court hearing and she lost, the typical amount awarded would be in the region of that '£146' anyway (no big costs allowed) and there's no effect on credit rating if you then paid. So why rush to respond now, why panic about the amount? This is no biggie at all and not at a stage where I would recommend raising your heads above the parapet - bear in mid your partner is one of hundreds currently getting VCS Rossendales letters.

Not only that - we have loads of threads about this and I think Rossendales state their client as 'Excel' which is completely wrong anyway - different company!

plot64

Many thanks chaps - for clarity, the Keeper is my parter. I was the driver. At the time of the incident, she lived at home (hence her mother is getting the letters).

So if there's no point in revealing that I was the driver (i.e., at our new address) we won't bother. And will continue to collect the letters via her mothers address as we have been.

We're confident-ish that the PPC was VCS having seen the scans on the website I linked to above and will definitely check out the letter chain in the other sticky as you mention.

So just hang tight until a LBA or LBCCC comes through then.
Does anyone know the cap on this sort of thing at ceiling level? You say its in the region of 146 but is that for sure. Wouldn't want to end up at 250, 3, 4, 500 etc.

plot64

Just for some further info on this case... these are the letters we do have with issuers and 'clients' named in each noted below. Note, the letters also state the date the ticket/PCN was issued and the ticket/reference number, so thats a little more info than I realised we had.

early August '13
From: Roxburgh
Our Client: Vehicle Control Services
Amount: £180

late August '13
From: Graham White Solicitors
Our Client: Vehicle Control Services
Amount: £180

early December '13
From: Rossendales Collect
Our Client: Excel Parking Services Limited
Amount: £145 - adds on their fees

mid December '13
From Rossendales Collect Professional Debt Collectors
Our Client: Excel Parking Services Limited
Amount: £145 - total now includes their fees (non-itemised)

late December '13
From Rossendales Collect Professional Debt Collectors
Our Client: Excel Parking Services Limited
Amount: £145 - outstanding amount
> states they may instruct a collector to visit the property, or commence legal proceedings (costs of which could increase the amount 'owed')

Jan '14
From Rossendales Collect Professional Debt Collectors
Our Client: Excel Parking Services Limited
Amount: £145
> potential field visit to obtain or discuss repayment schedule


It appears the client has changed from VCS to Excel. Are they one and the same?

Does that change any of the opinions given above?

Redx

its the usual debt collector chain then , all the same company or companies

excel and vcs are jointly owned but are separate companies so cannot mix as such, the fact they put excel as the client is a typical mistake they make , vcs was the client as they were your ppc , so vcs should be listed and not excel

stick to what post #18 says

also, to reiterate, they cannot attend your property (or the other one) as debt collectors as they have no powers to do so

be different if you went to court, obtained a CCJ and did not pay it, only then can you expect "visitors" enforcing a "court order" , the clue being the word "court"