Tyre on white line - What's the law?

harveybobbles

How far onto a broken white line can your tyre be before you get a [STRIKE]jobsworth[/STRIKE] parking warden trying it on?

Steet parking; kerb side marking. Quite narrow spaces of you ask me - here is a link from street view; http://goo.gl/maps/iHxRa see how close the Clio's tyres are, yet it is pretty close to the kerb on the other side.

The_Slithy_Tove

If you're just on the line and get a ticket, you could attempt an appeal on the basis of de minimis, i.e. so minor as irrelevant. Council will reject, but when you get to PATAS/ajudicator, there are better chances of winning.

Do you have a council PCN? If so, try Pepipoo's Council Parking Tickets & Clamping and Decriminalised Notices.

Dublindel

I believe there is a minimum distance from the kerb to the white lines, and your example looks very tight indeed. Need to check on the council parking forum.

Iceweasel

The minimum width of a parking bay such as shown in post #1 is 1800mm - note it's given in millimetres and not stated as 1.8metres so the law is pretty exact on this.

Get a steel tape and go and measure it.

st999

The minimum width of a parking bay such as shown in post #1 is 1800mm -

Is that to the inside of the line or to the outside of the line?

Iceweasel

st999 wrote: »

Is that to the inside of the line or to the outside of the line?

The space available to park has a minimum width size of 1800mm.

The max width is 2700mm.

Then there is the width of the line after that.

The lines may be 50mm, 70mm or 100mm wide, but they do not form part of the space.

That's the reason that the vehicle (usually the tyre) should be within the width of the space, not on or over the line.

That's my understanding of the situation taken from:

Parking & Loading Signs & Roadmarkings (from the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) 2002)

harveybobbles

Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, the Clio 2009 onwards (as per my street view link) is 1,720 mm wide.

My own car, accorind to Wiki is 1812mm wide..! Is that to the widest part of the car ie the wheel arches or to the outside edge of the wheels?

Coupon-mad

You are very likely to win your appeal if you take the advice on the pepipoo forum already linked - they are the Council ticket experts. I would be wary of relying on 'flawed bay markings/width' because these days adjudicators often take the view that a line/bay is 'substantially compliant'. De minimis is a good point but you need pepipoo posters to scrutinise both sides of your PCN and the other letters that follow during your appeal. Forget the discount if you want to try to succeed...the discount period will be long gone once a decision is made. The Council will reject any first appeal so once you understand that fact, do get over to pepipoo prepared to appeal on an all or nothing basis.

harveybobbles

I never actually got a ticket, but did have a warden showing a lot of interest in my rear tyre and was muttering some rubbish on his radio while I was stood there. Oh, and I do park there a lot.

Coupon-mad

harveybobbles wrote: »

I never actually got a ticket, but did have a warden showing a lot of interest in my rear tyre and was muttering some rubbish on his radio while I was stood there. Oh, and I do park there a lot.

Probably asking 'can I get away with issuing a PCN when a tyre is on a white line?' Because that's how CEO's think, how can they issue as many PCNs as possible - not the more sensible 'oh look there's the driver, I will mention to him to be careful not to overlap a bay next time or he'd be in danger of getting a PCN'. Nothing about prevention or keeping traffic flowing which is what Councils will have us believe!