Household finances at breaking point

Graham_Devon

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I didn't even mention shelter in that thread, let alone saying it was fine or accurate, so lets not start with the tedious lies.

I didn't say you did. So let's not start with tedious lies to moan about tedious lies.

In the thread you made the exact same point as I made in this one, are you saying I should have repeated it? Seems a bit whopperish even by your standards. You're having a bit of a nightmare here.

I didn't.

Oh no, on this thread you have gone a whole step further.

See, on this thread, where we are discussing 4,000 surveyed, you have taken the 1 in 11 people who ticked the answer you take issue with, and insinuated only those who tickd the "im distressed" option were doing the survey simply to gain 50p.

The 3,640 others? You've disregared them, presuambly because they clicked an option you are OK with and therefore, they were doing the survey correctly.

Anyway, it's all pretty academic really. These oracle surveys aren't paid for surveys. So no one took 50p.

Anyway, good show. See you next time a yougov poll is released and you appear only to make the same point and then dissapear for weeks on end again.

System

Just in case it wasn't painfully obvious to even the amoeba of the world. My opinion in yougov polls are that they are pointless and prove nothing.

I'm not sure what you're in a hissy fit about, it seems you have the same opinion of them as I do.

Loughton_Monkey

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Just in case it wasn't painfully obvious to even the amoeba of the world. My opinion in yougov polls are that they are pointless and prove nothing.

I'm not sure what you're in a hissy fit about, it seems you have the same opinion of them as I do.

Too damned right.

In a moment of aberation, I signed up for Yougov and got a heavy burst of surveys to begin with but very few since then.

They are very weird most of the time and chop and change about with one question asking about your mobile phone contract, and the next about who you think will win the next election.

They are not surveys that can be trusted at all.

Loughton_Monkey

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's a shelter study, so obviously seen not even worthy as toilet paper on here.

Absolutely correct. Except that I would never waste paper (toilet or otherwise) printing out such whinging balderdash. Shelter are a left-wing lobbying group who think only of their own ego's and own publicity. They long since gave up giving two hoots to the homeless which was why they started up.

If you insist on starting posts with this tripe, please give us an "opinion" of what you think we should do about it. Instead of floating it out there with a tacit 'I told you so' without a single word of analysis.

What are you trying to tell us?

What is your opinion of how any problem you perceive should be resolved. Double benefits tomorrow? Give everyone on less than £40K a year free housing? Give £30K a year food stamps to anyone with children?

If you would care to add any value whatsoever to your threads, just answer a single question about "one in 11 people worried they will not be able to afford their rent or mortgage this month"....

• Why are they worried? When either their housing costs are covered by the taxpayer, or they earn a substantial amount of money.
• Of the 9% who are "worried", what percentage do you think physically can't pay their rent or mortgage this month?....
• ...and of that percentage, please try to give reasons why they can't pay it? Too much greed and overspending on Wonga? Because it's all gone on slot machines down at Jennings? Because it's all gone on Bingo.com? Because they couldn't be bothered to turn up for work and lost a week's pay?
• Are they like that fat couple on TV only minutes ago with the 'great' Martin Lewis, who were 'struggling' to pay debts but still decided to pay £3K on a fireplace, £8K on her car, £7K on a caravan, and £18K on another car for him that would pull the caravan?
• What level of benefits (compared to now) do you think would stop the problem? Plus 50%? Double? Triple?

I can only conclude that you are indeed one of these "cases" to which you and Shelter are referring. So explain exactly what you want done about it when the rest of the population are all pulling in their belts for obvious reasons. How much extra taxpayer's money do you need or want.?

dryhat

Regardless of what the article says or doesn't say, or what meaningless statistic they use to measure things - a rising number of people are finding life getting harder every day.

That is 100% fact.

CLAPTON

dryhat wrote: »

Regardless of what the article says or doesn't say, or what meaningless statistic they use to measure things - a rising number of people are finding life getting harder every day.

That is 100% fact.

Surely bitcoins are making things better for a rising number of people?

dryhat

CLAPTON wrote: »

Surely bitcoins are making things better for a rising number of people?

But the two are not mutually exclusive.

Loughton_Monkey

dryhat wrote: »

Regardless of what the article says or doesn't say, or what meaningless statistic they use to measure things - a rising number of people are finding life getting harder every day.

That is 100% fact.

Phew! That's 100% tough.

We learn that yet another 250,000 extra people got jobs in the 3 months to December 2013, and 100,000 came off the jobless list. Why is it getting harder for them? Presumably because they now have to get their asses out of bed every morning?

Record retail turnover in the lead up to Christmas? Funny symptom of more and more people finding it harder and harder don't you think?

Ah yes. You probably mean the self-inflicted misery. They all took out huge expensive payday loans to go on this record shopping spree, and now they have learned you have to pay it back?

Carl31

Being 'poor' isn't just about how much income you have, its the choices you make with what you do with that income

There are many, many people in this country, including many of my own friends and family that need lessons in how to budget and prioritise how they use their income

The other big problem in this country is obesity. Yesterday on LBC, they were claiming 65% of the population is now over weight or obese, how can this be if no one has any money? The various takeaway chains seem to be doing OK too

grizzly1911

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Phew! That's 100% tough.


Record retail turnover in the lead up to Christmas? Funny symptom of more and more people finding it harder and harder don't you think?

Ah yes. You probably mean the self-inflicted misery. They all took out huge expensive payday loans to go on this record shopping spree, and now they have learned you have to pay it back?

Do people with PDLs shop in John Lewis and Next? Surprised they let them in and don't block their IP addresses.

With a growing population records are likely to broken year on year.