207 1.6HDI 92 Remap

mark206000

Hi,

I have a 2009 207sw 1.6HDI 92BHP, 45k miles.

I really don't want to change the car it's fine in every way except it's a bit underpowered and i'm getting a bit bored with it.

Had a quote of £240 for a rolling road custom remap to bring the power up to 120BHP they say. I'd probably not want it brought above 110BHP to stay on the safe side really.

I'm just a bit worried about shortening the life of the engine. I'd like to keep the car for another 4-5 years at least. It gets well serviced, oil changed every 7k miles with the proper oil as i'm aware these engines have turbo clogging problems.

Anyone had any experience of remapping these ?

Retrogamer

I would avoid, personally on that engine.

IIRC it suffers from a few problems that already make it's lifespan shorter than most diesels. The extra heat generated from a remap would likely just make existing bad design, worse.

patman99

The engine in 92BHP is actually no slouch. I have an '08 Berlingo with the same power plant and am impressed with how quickly it can go.

bigjl

As Retrogamer says.

That engine is a bit of a hand grenade with the pin pulled in standard guise.

Turbo faiures are common as is repeated failure due to no replacing the turbo oil feed pipe.

And i don't know if you have an intercooler fitted which will limit the power you can obtain anyway.

If you really want to do it then i would suggest going for a name with a decent reputation

Such as Superchips. They have been going for a long while now.

attila_

I'd go for it. The inherent problems with this engine won't be aggravated by mapping it.

All turbo engines have intercoolers.

The biggest risk will be weakening of the clutch as a result of higher torque. You can specify a low torque increase map. This will get you high bhp without a large increase in torque.

The potential issue with the clutch will happen regardless of what the car is.

forgotmyname

But with a diesel you want all the torque you can get. Not BHP.

Not much point increasing the BHP and possibly moving it up the rev range. Tons and tons of low down torque...

Ive had petrol and diesel Mondeo's both 2L. Overall the petrol car is faster when pulling away from a standing start and top end. But the mid-range power on the diesel is a winner...

Overtaking you want that midrange diesel torque.

Retrogamer

attila_ wrote: »

I'd go for it. The inherent problems with this engine won't be aggravated by mapping it.

Yes they will. The Turbo oil feed pipes sit very close to the exhaust manifold and turbo housing with the routing.
Remaps will put more load on the turbo and more load = more heat.
The existing issues with these engines is normally the oil getting baked inside the oil feed pipes once the engine is shut off and circulation stops. Hotter turbo, will only make this worse.

The other issue the engine suffers from is injector seal failure. This causes diesel to mix with the engine oil and produces a rapid build up of carbon deposits inside the engine and along all the oil routes.
Although i'm not sure what causes the seal failure, there's a chance they may fail prematurely due to the increased fuel pressure from the remap

attila_ wrote: »

All turbo engines have intercoolers.

No they don't.

Nova 1.5TD, Corsa B 1.5TD, Corsa C 1.7dt, Peugeot 206 & 306 2.0 HDI's all never came with intercoolers.

attila_

Retrogamer wrote: »

No they don't.

Nova 1.5TD, Corsa B 1.5TD, Corsa C 1.7dt, Peugeot 206 & 306 2.0 HDI's all never came with intercoolers.

Apologies I thought they did.

mark206000

No intercooler on the 92 model of the 1.6, the 110 has one.

I'm know of the problems that this engine can have, it gets treated very well with Total Quartz Ineo oil every 7k miles to hopefully help stop the clogging issue.

I planned to keep the car for another 4-5 years or at least until it's first turbo failure. I've read once it's had one, many more follow soon after, so it'd be fixed up cheap as and traded in.

I'll probably just keep it as it is now, for the sake of trouble free motoring, hopefully !

Had the car 3 years and just felt like a change, thought it would settle me for a while I could get some more poke from it.

Thanks for the input :beer:

bigjl

attila_ wrote: »

I'd go for it. The inherent problems with this engine won't be aggravated by mapping it.

All turbo engines have intercoolers.

The biggest risk will be weakening of the clutch as a result of higher torque. You can specify a low torque increase map. This will get you high bhp without a large increase in torque.

The potential issue with the clutch will happen regardless of what the car is.

You are not correct there

Some turbo diesels do indeed have intercoolers

And they are extremely common

However they are not as common on the lower power versions of vehicles

If they do an engine with say three power levels, the lowest may not have an intercooler, the second may be similar to the first but run an intercooler and the most powerful may even have a slightly bigger one fitted

They are no a given


And since oil degradation and turbo problems are one of the big issues with this engine I would err on the side of caution.

Only way to confirm or deny the presence of an intercooler is look for it

bigjl

Mark

With your servicing schedule I would think turbo failure is not as likely as for those who use rubbish oil and leave it for a minimum of 12k sometimes 15k and who see no difference in stop start short hop urban use and long motorway journeys at full operating temp

If your turbo ever does fail then just make sure that the oil feed pipes are replaced, don't bother cleaning them, just replace with new.

Most of the failures seem to be on Ford, C-Max and Fiesta seem to be particularly prone to it.

Is it due to the way they are used?

Or due to a few overdue service intervals here and there.

Talking of oil changes I haven't done the Clio in a while, better get that done in the new year!