Driveway ideas & suitable for jacking a car. Permeable drive too.

JustAnotherSaver

The missis did some googling & found that we don't need planning permission if the drive is permeable. Our local council website directed to this link...

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/pavingfrontgarden/

Am i correct in thinking ACO channeling around the house, leading in to the drain that we share with our neighbour (downpipe leads to it) would be ok?
If so, can this just border the house, or does it have to border the entire drive? The drive currently slopes back towards the house so i see little point in having chanelling at the top.


We currently have standard paviours in place. My personal favourite is Indian flagging & the Camel colour to be precise.

Question is, will this handle a car being jacked (as i do my own servicing) or is the flagging likely to crack with all the weight being put through the jack?

While we may not be able to make moves with the damp wall yet, we could at least get started with the drive & then we can apply to drop the kerb.

planning_officer

You should be ok with a drainage channel just along the frontage of the house, as this would channel the water to a permeable/porous surface which would make the driveway permitted development, even if the driveway itself isn't permeable. Some Councils may be more strict on that, but mine isn't.

JustAnotherSaver

planning_officer wrote: »

channel the water to a permeable/porous surface

Maybe i'm thinking wrong then...

I was thinking of channeling it into the drain that the down pipe leads into, where all the rainwater from the roof will go. My idea was such that it wont actually go to any 'surface', it'll lead to the drain.

Or is this not allowed?

Ectophile

Permeable means that rainwater can soak through it into the ground. The new rules are to stop the drains being overloaded every time there's heavy rain. So re-directing all the rainwater to the nearest drain isn't the same thing at all.

JustAnotherSaver

Well i don't know how they got on then because what's down is not permeable. Unless the patch of grass to the side of it (let's say 8ft x 6ft at a very rough guess) makes it ok?

So what would the permeable option/s be then?

ian103

its a fairly recent thing that drives have to be permeable or channel the water to a soakaway. the choise are :- gravel, porous paving etc or a non permeable surface with drainage to a soakaway ( this could be concrete / tarmac / slabs / traditional block paving etc)

if you were thinking of the aco channel (have a look at alternatives) then all you need is a length of pipe a silt trap (not essential but a good idea) and a soakaway (this could be a gravel/rubble filled hole, a manhole ring or a 'egg crate box designed for the purpose)

JustAnotherSaver

I'm not too sure about having all the water collecting in the ground there against the house (check my damp thread for my concerns).

I wonder about this as a possibility ....

* Go the gravel route for cheapness & box ticking.
* Get the kerb dropped
* Take up gravel & put down pavers/flags, water feeding into the drain.

ian103

put the soakaway under the drive using something like
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/150959287115?lpid=83&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=83&ff19=0
dig a hole suitabily sized, wrap crates in a woven geotextile and bury.

other option is gravel paving on a grid as attached
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/190997281531?lpid=83&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=83&ff19=0

officially you have to dispose of the water without directing it into a drainage system. so your above proposal may not be ok.

how about a gravel drive with a slab wheel track.

or to do it with a hard surface:-
http://www.pavingsuperstore.co.uk/bradstone-paving-manmade-driveway-60-infilta-permeable-charcoal-block-paving-single-size-200x100-30225-p.asp?gclid=CJ_W1sTSv7sCFQoYwwod2C8Alg

LisaW123

You should not install permeable paving if the gas or electricity supply runs under the area.

JustAnotherSaver

I've no idea if it does tbh.

So that's what those things are. I see them coming in to work a time or two & wondered what they were for.

I know what you're 'officially' supposed to do, but what you do & what you're supposed to do can be 2 different things Naughty perhaps, but then we're not all nice.

planning_officer

Ectophile wrote: »

Permeable means that rainwater can soak through it into the ground. The new rules are to stop the drains being overloaded every time there's heavy rain. So re-directing all the rainwater to the nearest drain isn't the same thing at all.

I completely agree, but that's not what my post implied. If the rainwater runoff is directed to a soakaway within the curtilage, then that constitutes a permeable/porous surface. That would comply with the relevant criteria in order to be permitted development and not require express planning permission.


This is the official guidance document by Government, from when the legislation was introduced - page 14 explains soakaways.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7728/pavingfrontgardens.pdf