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More evidence that double digit wage rises are back :(

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  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    How easy is it these days for an ex local councillor or union official to actually get selected? How easy is it for a non graduate to get selected? How easy is it for non public school candidates to get selected for key positions?

    It's difficult and costly according to this..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23437111

    However, just about anyone can give it a go as an independent. A few forms and £500 deposit - that's it.

    I've always wondered by someone like Graham doesn't give it a go and use it as a platform to air his grievances about 'props'. He feels strongly about the issues, argues passionately and, who knows, he might just start the ball rolling. Moaning on a closed forum is just for getting things off your chest rather than getting things done.
    I did make that point together with the fact that government is unlikely to float their boat.

    If you don't like the current type of MP but the type of person you do like doesn't want to be an MP then do you have any suggestions or is it a problem without a solution?

    Personally I'd like to see researchers barred from future office for a lengthy period - try and disrupt the obvious career path.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »



    If you don't like the current type of MP but the type of person you do like doesn't want to be an MP then do you have any suggestions or is it a problem without a solution?

    Personally I'd like to see researchers barred from future office for a lengthy period - try and disrupt the obvious career path.

    A lower minimum age limit perhaps, perhaps mid 40s upwards.

    It would make it less of a career hop from the likes of "researcher" and hopefully make people do other things than just politics first. It may expose them to reality it may also make it possible to "test" their pedigree. I think a narcissistic personality test should be mandatory. I am sure many are put off by the old boys club approach.

    Reduce the civil service bureaucracy and process. Do senior civil service directors still provide "performance" (toadying) ratings for junior MPs and Ministers?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    I just wanted to mention that the market within about a 50 mile radius of me that I just checked, has gone white hot with literally all houses under £250k selling out the moment they come to market. Am trying to help a Latvian couple found a house, and so far there is nothing they can buy that has 3 beds and a little parking.

    Local agents in the town here have no houses left to sell, huh??

    Not seen anything quite like this before.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    80K to 120K is doctor, senior manager or lawyer money.


    £120k is about average for the average small business owner I deal with, but again to stress this is what their earnings would show as if they were taxed according to ordinary PAYE regime. Their taxable earnings will show up a lot lower than £120k.

    Even a typical sole trader black cabby I deal with is TAKING HOME about £1200 per week after expenses and tax. If you gross this up as if they were an employee you would find them on about £100k pa, but their tax return will show about £25-£35k.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    michaels wrote: »

    I know which two digits this will get from most of the public.


    To do an MP's job I'd want £250k pa. Horrendous work load and very difficult to manage large numbers of constituent issues, any one of which can be incredibly complex.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    To do an MP's job I'd want £250k pa. Horrendous work load and very difficult to manage large numbers of constituent issues, any one of which can be incredibly complex.

    That is the joy of templated letters.

    Words like "thank you bringing this to my attention", "sorry to hear", "I know"(remeber Cybil), "I share your concerns", "I will raise this to the appropriate office for consideration" etc.

    Simply get your aide to top and tale them.

    Others can be replied to personally.

    "I would be delighted to accept your kind invitation..."
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • That is the joy of templated letters.

    Words like "thank you bringing this to my attention", "sorry to hear", "I know"(remeber Cybil), "I share your concerns", "I will raise this to the appropriate office for consideration" etc.

    Simply get your aide to top and tale them.

    Others can be replied to personally.

    "I would be delighted to accept your kind invitation..."

    Reminds me of a letter I received asking for a job.....

    It was one of those 8th-generation photocopies. You know the sort of thing. Wonky, spotted, extremely bad quality, typed originally on a typewriter but with [spaces] to fill in by hand with a pen.

    It read something like

    Dear [handwritten Name]

    I have just left school and have always wanted to work in [the word "Insurance" handwritten]. In particular, I have heard wonderful things about [our company name handwritten] and sincerely want to work for you.......

    With an approach like that, I expect this individual remains unemployed to this day....
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    That is the joy of templated letters.

    Words like "thank you bringing this to my attention", "sorry to hear", "I know"(remeber Cybil), "I share your concerns", "I will raise this to the appropriate office for consideration" etc.

    Simply get your aide to top and tale them.

    Others can be replied to personally.

    "I would be delighted to accept your kind invitation..."

    I have to deal with correspondence from MPs at work (usually them forwarding letters from constituents to us) and I can guarantee that they don't write it themselves - they get their office staff to do it. I would be quite surprised if MPs actually read even 1% of what is sent to their office.

    To be fair though, our CEO and directors don't write their own correspondence either. I know that because I write plenty of it myself.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Conrad wrote: »
    I just wanted to mention that the market within about a 50 mile radius of me that I just checked, has gone white hot with literally all houses under £250k selling out the moment they come to market. Am trying to help a Latvian couple found a house, and so far there is nothing they can buy that has 3 beds and a little parking.

    Local agents in the town here have no houses left to sell, huh??

    Not seen anything quite like this before.

    That's lovely. However, not sure what it has to do with MPs' pay.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts
    Reminds me of a letter I received asking for a job.....

    It was one of those 8th-generation photocopies. You know the sort of thing. Wonky, spotted, extremely bad quality, typed originally on a typewriter but with [spaces] to fill in by hand with a pen.

    It read something like

    Dear [handwritten Name]

    I have just left school and have always wanted to work in [the word "Insurance" handwritten]. In particular, I have heard wonderful things about [our company name handwritten] and sincerely want to work for you.......

    With an approach like that, I expect this individual remains unemployed to this day....

    Dear LM

    Thank you for that insightful post.

    Regards
    Kab / Sockie12



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