what should a LL give me

ihatemyhouse

say I was to move in to a house tomorrow,

what must the LL give me or do to be legal

I know the deposit has to go in to a bond scheme, but does he have to supply me with safety certificates for ele, gas, energy performance for the house, etc

lighting_up_the_chalice

The LL must agree a rental charge for a specific period for exclusive use of the property in order to establish a tenancy. This could be a verbal agreement. Legally, that is all.

sandsni

You should have access to a gas safe certificate (if applicable) and an EPC (energy performance certificate). How much good an EPC in is debatable, but you have the right to see it. AFAIK there are currently no laws regarding electricity safety certificates but the electrics do have to be safe obviously. I think portable electrical items supplied by the LL have to be PAT tested though.

G_M

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

The LL must agree a rental charge for a specific period for exclusive use of the property in order to establish a tenancy. This could be a verbal agreement. Legally, that is all.

Sorry lighting, not so.

Itis a legal requirement (in Eng/Wales) to give the tenant a copy of
* gas safety certificate (if any gas)
* energy efficiency certificate

If a deposit is taken, he must also give the Prescribed Information within 30 days

lighting_up_the_chalice

G_M wrote: »

Sorry lighting, not so.

Itis a legal requirement (in Eng/Wales) to give the tenant a copy of
* gas safety certificate (if any gas)
* energy efficiency certificate

If a deposit is taken, he must also give the Prescribed Information within 30 days

Sorry, GM, not so.

Failure to provide the above detailed info/documentation does not effect the legitimacy of a tenancy.

G_M

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Sorry, GM, not so.

Failure to provide the above detailed info/documentation does not effect the legitimacy of a tenancy.

I agree the tenancy would still be legitimate. But the OP did not ask this:

say I was to move in to a house tomorrow,

what must the LL give me or do to be legal

Both GSC and EPC are legal requirements.

lighting_up_the_chalice

G_M wrote: »

I agree the tenancy would still be legitimate. But the OP did not ask this:


Both GSC and EPC are legal requirements.

I think both viewpoints are legitimate, depending on your interpretation of..

ihatemyhouse wrote: »

what must the LL give me or do to be legal

If the basic requirements of a tenancy are fulfilled, they cannot be negated by the failure to comply with, for example, H+S requirements. However, as indicated, other requirements (ie H+S) can be enforced upon the tenancy.

ihatemyhouse

thanks, it is just I am moving now, so I want the next one to be all above board and legal, as this last LL is crap, no deposit in scheme, no cert for any thing, tells me not to get EH involved as doesn't want the hassle, ceiling collapses takes a month to even come out to house, black mold in bedrooms, have to bleach every week, yet when I said not paying you rent, starts moaning I have to has it is legally in the tenancy agreement that I have to pay blah blah blah


cheers everyone

lighting_up_the_chalice

ihatemyhouse wrote: »

thanks, it is just I am moving now, so I want the next one to be all above board and legal, as this last LL is crap, no deposit in scheme, no cert for any thing, tells me not to get EH involved as doesn't want the hassle, ceiling collapses takes a month to even come out to house, black mold in bedrooms, have to bleach every week, yet when I said not paying you rent, starts moaning I have to has it is legally in the tenancy agreement that I have to pay blah blah blah


cheers everyone

As a tenant.......

Deposit not protected - You have legal recourse.

Gas safety certificate not issued - you have legal recourse.

Legitimate repairs not addressed - You have legal recourse.

That you have taken your current landlords advice and not taken the legal recourse open to you is a matter for you to resolve. Should a future landlord behave in the same manner, the same recourse will be available. But that recourse is for YOU to take. After all, your current landlord will take another tenant..... Ask yourself why your new landlords previous tenant left? It could well be for the same reason.

ihatemyhouse

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

As a tenant.......

Deposit not protected - You have legal recourse.

Gas safety certificate not issued - you have legal recourse.

Legitimate repairs not addressed - You have legal recourse.

That you have taken your current landlords advice and not taken the legal recourse open to you is a matter for you to resolve. Should a future landlord behave in the same manner, the same recourse will be available. But that recourse is for YOU to take. After all, your current landlord will take another tenant..... Ask yourself why your new landlords previous tenant left? It could well be for the same reason.

I will be taking legal recourse, just waiting for EH, already had a builders report and a damp specialist in, I have a legal representive coming on Tuesday when EH are here and my LL is meant to be here, so should be fun