Can I extend up to border?

teneighty

Having designed lots of (100s) extensions right up to the boundary I've found the easiest thing is to use a raft foundation at that point if faced with a grumpy neighbour. This is particularly useful as it means the neighbour cannot build within 3m at a later date if they intend to use strip footing as they will be deeper than the raft I put in and therefore need permission from my clients (see Party Wall Act).

I think they may have been a typo in there. Building on a raft foundation does not mean the neighbour "cannot" build within 3 metres. It just means they will have to go through the party wall procedure and can still build right up against the extension/boundary.


The down side of a raft is that you cannot cross the boundary with the foundation unlike a simple foundation, so it has to be designed so the wall sits right on the edge or is set back from the boundary.


You must also inform the adjoining owner if you plan to build a wall wholly on your own land but up against the boundary line.


You only have to inform them....they cannot object or stop you from doing it.


I seem to have forgotten how to quote parts of text so the sections in red are quotes from others.

planning_officer

Just to correct fluffymuffy (and to emphasise Doozergirl's post above) - you can't build to the boundary at two storey level under permitted development rights, as the overall height and eaves height will be too high (they are restricted to 4m and 3m respectively, if the development is within 2m of the boundary). Plus, you can't build anything of two storeys in a conservation area, AONB or National Park as PD (that applies at the rear as well as the sides).

Like others have said, whether the OP gets planning permission is dependent on the Council's policies, although it is rare for a Council to allow a two storey extension right up to the side boundary (unless lots of other houses have similar extensions and it's part of the character of the street scene).

cyclonebri1

southcoastrgi wrote: »

yes if you get pp then you can build upto the boundary (not border), however your boundary will inc the footings which will be further out than the outside wall, so you won't be able to extend as far out as you think

It's not quite like that, the Party Wall Act that will come into play here allows you to build up to the boundary and have footings that are in effect on or under your neighbours property.
It's a little complicated especially when on a hill, best read up on it.

The garage is going to be very tight, given the thickness of the end wall, I think you'd be up to on side and only just able to open the door wide enough to get out of the average family car. Mine is 12ft outside measure, I wouldn't want it any narrower.
Ok, for planning I guess it has to go down as a garage, but when all is said and done, as you say you are running out of space, it will probably make you a very nice safe storage area.:D:D

Not read all posts so apologies for any repeats.

20vt-rs

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

It's not quite like that, the Party Wall Act that will come into play here allows you to build up to the boundary and have footings that are in effect on or under your neighbours property.
It's a little complicated especially when on a hill, best read up on it.

The garage is going to be very tight, given the thickness of the end wall, I think you'd be up to on side and only just able to open the door wide enough to get out of the average family car. Mine is 12ft outside measure, I wouldn't want it any narrower.
Ok, for planning I guess it has to go down as a garage, but when all is said and done, as you say you are running out of space, it will probably make you a very nice safe storage area.:D:D

Not read all posts so apologies for any repeats.

Great info thank you, appreciated. Yes I kind of think the garage may be a bit slim which is a shame but not much I can do, however on your same wavelength here, good storage and could be a good workshop for tinkering with stuff too!


Thanks everyone and merry Christmas!

Stooby2

There's a trick to parking in a narrow garage -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3O51yRQbM

cyclonebri1

Stooby2 wrote: »

There's a trick to parking in a narrow garage -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3O51yRQbM

:T:T:T:T hilarious, but 1 day he is going to wedge his head.;)

20vt-rs

Stooby2 wrote: »

There's a trick to parking in a narrow garage -

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3O51yRQbM

That's brilliant!!! Just need to get a Fiat Panda and I may be sorted

Little_Missy

teneighty wrote: »

Having designed lots of (100s) extensions right up to the boundary I've found the easiest thing is to use a raft foundation at that point if faced with a grumpy neighbour. This is particularly useful as it means the neighbour cannot build within 3m at a later date if they intend to use strip footing as they will be deeper than the raft I put in and therefore need permission from my clients (see Party Wall Act).

I think they may have been a typo in there. Building on a raft foundation does not mean the neighbour "cannot" build within 3 metres. It just means they will have to go through the party wall procedure and can still build right up against the extension/boundary.


The down side of a raft is that you cannot cross the boundary with the foundation unlike a simple foundation, so it has to be designed so the wall sits right on the edge or is set back from the boundary.


You must also inform the adjoining owner if you plan to build a wall wholly on your own land but up against the boundary line.


You only have to inform them....they cannot object or stop you from doing it.


I seem to have forgotten how to quote parts of text so the sections in red are quotes from others.

Hi teneighty,

You sound like just the person to help me with my queries ...

Would you happen to know the answers to the following:

1. Are raft foundations suitable for small double storey extensions (e.g. double storey 8' x 13')? If they are, what adjustments should be made to the raft (e.g. should the depth be increased)?

2. If an extension is built wholly on a person's own land, but against the boundary line (on raft foundations, so no foundations under neighbours land), can a neighbour still cause a dispute under the Party Wall etc. Act 1995 resulting in the necessity to instruct a surveyor (or surveyors)? If they can, would building the foundations 1" from the boundary ensure that the works fall outside of the scope of the PWA?

Really hope you can assist with this

flea72

The loss of driveway may also be a concern.