Repairing part of car

AdrianC

Gavin83 wrote: »

I would assume ringing any company and getting them to transport the car would involve significant cost.

Don't you have "home-start" breakdown cover?

Gavin83

No I don't but its irrelevant anyway. I simply want to know who is financially responsible for getting the non running car to the dealer. It's either me or him. Atrixblue's response would suggest it's his which is what I've always been led to believe.

Scrootum

Gavin83 wrote: »

No I don't but its irrelevant anyway. I simply want to know who is financially responsible for getting the non running car to the dealer. It's either me or him. Atrixblue's response would suggest it's his which is what I've always been led to believe.

How long had you had the car before the coil went?

arcon5

Gavin83 wrote: »

No I don't but its irrelevant anyway. I simply want to know who is financially responsible for getting the non running car to the dealer. It's either me or him. Atrixblue's response would suggest it's his which is what I've always been led to believe.

If faulty then the dealer would - but since most of us are of the opinion it's not faulty, but wear and tear has taken its toll then i'm sure we'd all be of the opinion also that you paying to recover the car to the garage would still be a bonus for you if they are fitting a brand new coil pack and cat.c.

Gavin83

Scrootum wrote: »

How long had you had the car before the coil went?

2 days.

arcon5 wrote: »

If faulty then the dealer would - but since most of us are of the opinion it's not faulty, but wear and tear has taken its toll then i'm sure we'd all be of the opinion also that you paying to recover the car to the garage would still be a bonus for you if they are fitting a brand new coil pack and cat.c.

So what constitutes a consumable rather than an item the dealer should cover? I'm well aware any serviceable item wouldn't be covered and neither would anything with an obvious shelf life as outlined by the manufacturer (such as a clutch) but would coils and cat be considered under this? I can't find anything from the manufacturer where they recommend replacing the coils or cat after a certain mileage.

I guess this is the sticking point for me as the definitions are grey. I'm not trying to stitch the dealer up but at the same time I understandably don't want to be paying for repairs after owning the car for 2 days that the dealer should legally cover.

Currently the dealer is offering to replace the coils with the extra costs for the part I want covered by myself, which I accept. I'm also willing to pay for the change of spark plugs myself too. However he isn't willing to collect the car. I've also asked that his mechanic inspect the cat while repairing the coils and he is of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with it, although I'm not sure how he can claim this without having even seen the car.

AdrianC

Gavin83 wrote: »

I can't find anything from the manufacturer where they recommend replacing the coils or cat after a certain mileage.

They don't. But these are parts which do commonly fail without warning. Seriously, on an 8yo car, I'd be quite happy that he was offering to replace. You've clearly bought from somebody with some scruples and who's happy to invest in his reputation.

However he isn't willing to collect the car.

There's one piece of information which you've not yet given us... Distance.

I've also asked that his mechanic inspect the cat while repairing the coils and he is of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with it, although I'm not sure how he can claim this without having even seen the car.

There's really only one way to tell if the cat's duff. And that's an emissions test. To do that, the car needs to be running properly, on all cylinders.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

AdrianC wrote: »

They don't. But these are parts which do commonly fail without warning. Seriously, on an 8yo car, I'd be quite happy that he was offering to replace. You've clearly bought from somebody with some scruples and who's happy to invest in his reputation.



There's one piece of information which you've not yet given us... Distance.



There's really only one way to tell if the cat's duff. And that's an emissions test. To do that, the car needs to be running properly, on all cylinders.

you can tell a cat has gone by assessing its temperature with a laser pointer temp sensor gun, if the cat Is 350degc and the center pipe is just after it is 152degc then its blocked and faulty.


40 miles away the dealer is to OP as he says.


irrelevant of what parts are wear and tear and what commonly fail the vehicle has to be of merchantable quality and fit for purpose, and any fault within 6 months of purchase is deemed to be inherited, if you don't like that aspect then bring it to the attention of the government.


for the sake of toing and froing on legal responsibility I would just get it back to him and get it repaired ASAP.

AdrianC

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

you can tell a cat has gone by assessing its temperature with a laser pointer temp sensor gun, if the cat Is 350degc and the center pipe is just after it is 152degc then its blocked and faulty.

A dead coil pack wouldn't block it, though. It'd cause the unburnt fuel to poison it.

irrelevant of what parts are wear and tear and what commonly fail the vehicle has to be of merchantable quality and fit for purpose, and any fault within 6 months of purchase is deemed to be inherited, if you don't like that aspect then bring it to the attention of the government.

Not quite that simple. For used goods, such as this, there's a variable expectation, based on age/price etc.

for the sake of toing and froing on legal responsibility I would just get it back to him and get it repaired ASAP.

Agreed - with the caveat that the dealer's already agreed to, but the OP has no easy way to get it to him without it running properly, since he doesn't have sufficient breakdown cover.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

AdrianC wrote: »

A dead coil pack wouldn't block it, though. It'd cause the unburnt fuel to poison it.



Not quite that simple. For used goods, such as this, there's a variable expectation, based on age/price etc.



Agreed - with the caveat that the dealer's already agreed to, but the OP has no easy way to get it to him without it running properly, since he doesn't have sufficient breakdown cover.

ive seen people drive for months with a misfire, over fuel into the cat the internal honnycombe structure breaks down and falls apart causing blockage, even if it wasn't blocked it will still get to silly temps compared to the rest of the exhaust an emissions test can be conducted but its not the only way to test a cat.


its not wear and tear item its not spark plug or tire or brake pad or suspension coil. it has no moveable parts to wear out, they are sealed so not able to be service or test its condition either.


this particular coil pack is bulky and costly also and is hidden by a engine cover.


if you class a coil pack as fair wear and tear then how do you suggest we have these tested? or inspect them, I doubt a trader would allow me to pull the engine cover off undo some bolts and crank it over, and even then how do I know if its decided to fire in the incorrect order? I can asses a tire for wear and tear, I can look at a aux belt and assess its wear and tear, I can see an exhaust for wear and tear, I can wiggle a wheel for ball joint wear and wheel bearing wear I can see the interiors wear body work wear.


a coil pack does nothing that can cause wear, it has no moveable part, it has no pressure put under it or strain, its merely bolted to the engine and asked to do its job, they either work or don't no inbetween.

AdrianC

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

its not wear and tear item its not spark plug or tire or brake pad or suspension coil. it has no moveable parts to wear out, they are sealed so not able to be service or test its condition either.

Exactly. It's something that - as already stated - fails without warning.

this particular coil pack is bulky and costly also and is hidden by a engine cover.

I must've missed the post that stated what car it was.