Will RoUK really give up some of its financial freedom to the independant Scots?

zagubov

robmatic wrote: »

Also, 2010 General Election results are interesting as the Coalition parties gained 878,326 votes in Scotland. Not a million miles away from Labour's 1.035 million and much more than the SNP's half a million.

So how widespread will this feeling of disenchantment with the Westminster voting system be?

Unless you consider them separately which is how they campaigned and stood for election; then both are less.:D

chewmylegoff

zagubov wrote: »

I thought it was a Scots word for relevant or germane ie a point worth debating. I live and learn.

Although there's plenty of posters who would be better making a mute point than the repetitive one-way blethering that shows they've never read a reply (that they've made sense of).



I think voting's too important to be avoided. In 1930s Germany everybody gave the elections the body-swerve and next thing they were turning people into furniture.

I'd charge a fortune for voting exemption fees so only the rich could avoid voting.

I didn't think this was right so looked it up - turnout in all of the real federal elections in germany was over 70% in the 30s and over 85% in the 1932 presidential election. Germans didnt get Hitler because they didnt turn up to vote. Rather because they did turn up and vote for him in sufficient numbers to make the Nazis the largest party. According to the stats on wiki, even if every person who didnt vote for the Nazis had turned up and voted against in March 1933, they would still have received the largest share of the vote of any party.

It is possible to make a decison based on the issues at hand. If I was given a choice between voting for a moderate centrist party and some nazis I would go to the ballot box. If I was asked whether I wanted Scotland to be an indepedent country I would probably stay at home and catch up on missed telly. And not Rab C Nesbitt either!

zagubov

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I didn't think this was right so looked it up - turnout in all of the real federal elections in germany was over 70% in the 30s and over 85% in the 1932 presidential election. Germans didnt get Hitler because they didnt turn up to vote. Rather because they did turn up and vote for him in sufficient numbers to make the Nazis the largest party. According to the stats on wiki, even if every person who didnt vote for the Nazis had turned up and voted against in March 1933, they would still have received the largest share of the vote of any party.

It is possible to make a decison based on the issues at hand. If I was given a choice between voting for a moderate centrist party and some nazis I would go to the ballot box. If I was asked whether I wanted Scotland to be an indepedent country I would probably stay at home and catch up on missed telly. And not Rab C Nesbitt either!

You're right. I'd remembered that the Nazis got 33% of the vote and took over from the existing minority government on that basis, and I wrongly recalled there was a low turnout for the elections.

If the non-voters had turned up and voted to maintain the minority government could it have staggered along for longer?:o

I wish I'd studied World History at GCSE- looked like an amzingly interesting syllabus. Much better than that wattle-and daub stuff I had to learn back int he day.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

You're right. I'd remembered that the Nazis got 33% of the vote and took over from the existing minority government on that basis, and I wrongly recalled there was a low turnout for the elections.

If the non-voters had turned up and voted to maintain the minority government could it have staggered along for longer?:o

I wish I'd studied World History at GCSE- looked like an amzingly interesting syllabus. Much better than that wattle-and daub stuff I had to learn back int he day.

IIRC, and I'm no expert, the NAZIs and fellow coalition-members went on to ban Communists from Parliament and then the NAZIs used their near-majority (actual majority???) to put through emergency measures to install Hitler as leader with total power (think that was after their Parliament 'went on fire').

Generali

robmatic wrote: »

Also, 2010 General Election results are interesting as the Coalition parties gained 878,326 votes in Scotland. Not a million miles away from Labour's 1.035 million and much more than the SNP's half a million.

So how widespread will this feeling of disenchantment with the Westminster voting system be?

That seems to imply that loads of Separatists vote for Unionist parties. Interesting.

If you're a Separatist who isn't on the extreme left of British politics I guess you have nobody to vote for unless Separatism is of overriding importance to you.

System

adouglasmhor wrote: »

It's a point that would have brough a moot (or meeting) to a stop with endless debating. Nothing to do with "mute".

Yes, but it was being used here as a pun, which pedants are never good at spotting.

Generali

adouglasmhor wrote: »

It's a point that would have brough a moot (or meeting) to a stop with endless debating. Nothing to do with "mute".
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/moot-point.html

I was always of the belief that a moot point was something that was still open for debate, that it hadn't been settled in a Moot House:

adouglasmhor

Generali wrote: »

I was always of the belief that a moot point was something that was still open for debate, that it hadn't been settled in a Moot House:

I think it started as what you said but has changed over the years to the version I used.
I am having trouble resisting the obvious so I will stop now and go and do something else for a minute of two.

Generali

adouglasmhor wrote: »

I think it started as what you said but has changed over the years to the version I used.

Clearly I'm showing my age!;)

System

Everybody knows a moot point means a debateable point, but sometimes a point can be so obvious that there is no point in making it.
It's an old hackneyed joke then to call it a "mute" point.

A bit like a damp "squid". More like a slap in the face with a wet fish

Where's Mrs Malaprop when you need her?