Will RoUK really give up some of its financial freedom to the independant Scots?

Buzby

Actually, I though 'mute' was being used in its correct sense (as in 'silent').

adouglasmhor

It's a point that would have brough a moot (or meeting) to a stop with endless debating. Nothing to do with "mute".
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/moot-point.html

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MFW_ASAP wrote: »

I'm currently working in Scotland and enjoying the coverage on Scottish Independence up here. The SNP released their 'manifesto' yesterday and so we had blanket coverage on the news and I even watched the debate on the Parliament channel.
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Did they... can't say I noticed and i work in the Scottish public sector

chewmylegoff

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Apathy is a problem in all public engagement with the politicians.
The right to vote is your opportunity to voice your opinion.

If you (not directed to you in person , but the general you) are Apathetic to voting, then you (in my opinion) really have no right to opinion or complain about the government / electoral system / union you get.

not sure i agree. if you are asked to vote on something and you think that none of the choices will make the slightest bit of difference to you then it is your prerogative not to turn up.

some people like to preach that you must turn up and vote "none of the above" or spoil your ballot paper, but i don't see why i should waste an hour of my day to do so when it will have absolutely no impact.

i am completely disenfranchised on the issue of whether scotland should be an independent country but i don't see why i shouldn't have an opinion about it (even if that opinion is that i am completely ambivalent )

zagubov

adouglasmhor wrote: »

It's a point that would have brough a moot (or meeting) to a stop with endless debating. Nothing to do with "mute".
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/moot-point.html

I thought it was a Scots word for relevant or germane ie a point worth debating. I live and learn.

Although there's plenty of posters who would be better making a mute point than the repetitive one-way blethering that shows they've never read a reply (that they've made sense of).

chewmylegoff wrote: »

not sure i agree. if you are asked to vote on something and you think that none of the choices will make the slightest bit of difference to you then it is your prerogative not to turn up.

some people like to preach that you must turn up and vote "none of the above" or spoil your ballot paper, but i don't see why i should waste an hour of my day to do so when it will have absolutely no impact.

i am completely disenfranchised on the issue of whether scotland should be an independent country but i don't see why i shouldn't have an opinion about it (even if that opinion is that i am completely ambivalent )

I think voting's too important to be avoided. In 1930s Germany everybody gave the elections the body-swerve and next thing they were turning people into furniture.

I'd charge a fortune for voting exemption fees so only the rich could avoid voting.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

antrobus wrote: »

The point is to get majority for the Yes vote.

Thankfully, most Scots continue to see through the nationalist lies and fairy tales.

A total of 1,134 people were questioned for the poll, with 56% saying they did not support independence while 27% wanted Scotland to leave the UK and 17% said they did not know.

When asked if their household would be better or worse off if Scotland was independent, 49% said they thought they would be worse off while 23% believed they would be better off. A total of 13% thought there would be no impact and 16% did not know if they would be better or worse off.

Alistair Darling, leader of the Better Together campaign to keep Scotland in the UK, said: "This poll confirms that Scots are choosing devolution in the UK over separation from the UK.

"But we cannot be complacent for one moment. The SNP are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money on propaganda selling independence."

Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said: "The majority of the Scottish people have seen through the empty prospectus of the White Paper and have recognised it is little more than an uncosted wishlist."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/u/u/new-indyref-poll-yes-27-no-56-dont-know-17.1385899472

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Thankfully, most Scots continue to see through the nationalist lies and fairy tales.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/u/u/new-indyref-poll-yes-27-no-56-dont-know-17.1385899472

It does seem to be unlikely that 'Yes' will get a majority as it's hard to see what can turn around what seems to be a consistent message from the polls.

I've read (on here?) that the prospect of another Tory Government would swing the balance. Seems like rubbish as surely no sensible person would base a long term decision on such short-term considerations. Especially as the plan for independence seems to be riddled with holes.

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

It does seem to be unlikely that 'Yes' will get a majority as it's hard to see what can turn around what seems to be a consistent message from the polls.

I've read (on here?) that the prospect of another Tory Government would swing the balance. Seems like rubbish as surely no sensible person would base a long term decision on such short-term considerations. Especially as the plan for independence seems to be riddled with holes.

Up there finding that the Tories will be your next government's about as cheery as finding out that Josef Fritzl will be your next babysitter. Even the Tories themselves recognise they're a toxic brand north of the Tweed.

How are the Tories a short-term matter? They've been a long-term fixture in the Westminster environment for centuries , could be for the foreseeable future and have been voted to govern the UK umpteen times while the Scots resolutely voted them out to no avail. If leaving the UK is the only way to be rid of them, don't think they wouldn't do it.

The nats have a track record for last-minute landslides. The Tories don't. Labour have been seen standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Tories for maybe a wee bit too long. I don't know how they'll do in the future.

The plan might have holes but the unionists silence about what happens after a no vote is like a string vest where they've missed out the string.:(

robmatic

zagubov wrote: »

The plan might have holes but the unionists silence about what happens after a no vote is like a string vest where they've missed out the string.:(

They don't need to promise anything, there's already the Scotland Act 2012 coming into effect in 2016 (assuming that there isn't a massive swing in public opinion up here north of the Border, which seems unlikely given recent by election results).

robmatic

Also, 2010 General Election results are interesting as the Coalition parties gained 878,326 votes in Scotland. Not a million miles away from Labour's 1.035 million and much more than the SNP's half a million.

So how widespread will this feeling of disenchantment with the Westminster voting system be?