AMAZON on BBC1 Undercover

sniggings

SJ32116 wrote: »

I think the main thing to worry about from that article is where he mentions how many people with decent degrees are working in the Amazon warehouse. That was exactly my experience from working as a picker in the warehouse of a large clothes retailer.

I dread to think how much talent in my age group is being wasted in this country because there isn't the jobs for these graduates to take so they have to settle for jobs like picking in a warehouse.

Don't get me wrong, I don't look down on jobs like that and I've done them but it's pretty demoralising to have to accept those sorts of jobs when you've just worked so hard for so many years to find out you might as well not bothered and just quit school at 16.

with a target of 50% of people to go to uni where do you think all these better jobs are going to come from? half the population in high paying jobs?

dktreesea

And why should the point of further education be economic anyway? Is one not meant to just further one's knowledge for the sake of it anymore? What about people like geologists, who work as, say, energy analysts rather than out in the field? Lots of people don't work in their specific field, but it doesn't invalidate the years studying their subject, does it?

Denning.

dktreesea wrote: »

And why should the point of further education be economic anyway? Is one not meant to just further one's knowledge for the sake of it anymore? What about people like geologists, who work as, say, energy analysts rather than out in the field? Lots of people don't work in their specific field, but it doesn't invalidate the years studying their subject, does it?

Its absurd. On the whole graduates think differently to none graduates. This thought process is taught. More affinity to evidence based decisions etc. It is these skills which are important and why so many graduates have very successful careers in areas unrelated to their subject.

Inb4 someone wants to point out absolutes. You will prove my point BTW.

sniggings

Denning. wrote: »

Its absurd. On the whole graduates think differently to none graduates. This thought process is taught. More affinity to evidence based decisions etc. It is these skills which are important and why so many graduates have very successful careers in areas unrelated to their subject.

Inb4 someone wants to point out absolutes. You will prove my point BTW.

I think it's more to do with the type of person that goes to uni in the first place, than how they are taught.

I don't put as much faith in our higher education as you seem too.

It tends to be the brighter more able person that goes to Uni, these people will get the good job even if they never went to Uni, having a degree just makes it easier to pick these people out of a crowd.

Takeaway_Addict

sniggings wrote: »

I think it's more to do with the type of person that goes to uni in the first place, than how they are taught.

I don't put as much faith in our higher education as you seem too.

It tends to be the brighter more able person that goes to Uni, these people will get the good job even if they never went to Uni, having a degree just makes it easier to pick these people out of a crowd.

The usefulness of degrees has been watered down immensely. If I had my way I would provide free higher education to the top 25% school leavers on results irrespective of income. It should be there for the best of the best, not everyone.

And FWIW I would have not been able to goto university on my own standards.

sniggings

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

The usefulness of degrees has been watered down immensely. If I had my way I would provide free higher education to the top 25% school leavers on results irrespective of income. It should be there for the best of the best, not everyone.

And FWIW I would have not been able to goto university on my own standards.

I sort of agree, far too many going.

If you were not bright before going to Uni, 3 years of sitting in lectures is not going to change you into something so different to the person you were before.

im-lost

8 miles, food me, I used to walk 4 miles just to buy some milk or a loaf of bread.

At 16, being skint as an apprentice in a kitchen, I'd walk 2 miles to work, be on my feet for 6 hours "working" then walk 2 miles home for some lunch and a rest for an hour or two, walk 2 miles back to work, on my feet for the evening shift, then walk the 2 miles home, essentially being on my feet for 18 hours a day

I thought nothing of it, and was in pretty good shape at the time.... Prancing around for 8 miles in an 8 hour shift would seem like hadn't done anything.

It seems to me that people want to be as lazy as possible and be able to draw a wage from it...

sniggings

I never seen the show but 8 miles is only 1 mile an hour if doing an 8 hour shift, doesn't sound that hard? not sure what else was bad about working for them, the points system seems very harsh tho.

Denning.

sniggings wrote: »

I think it's more to do with the type of person that goes to uni in the first place, than how they are taught.

I don't put as much faith in our higher education as you seem too.

It tends to be the brighter more able person that goes to Uni, these people will get the good job even if they never went to Uni, having a degree just makes it easier to pick these people out of a crowd.

Its not black and white. Nor do I think the current education system is at all efficient. But just writing 50 essays over three years will allow anyone to learn how to correctly structure and think through an argument. Many smart people don't go to uni and you can often tell, they are unorthodox. It.might work in their favour but a lot of times they find it harder then they should.

sniggings

Denning. wrote: »

Its not black and white. Nor do I think the current education system is at all efficient. But just writing 50 essays over three years will allow anyone to learn how to correctly structure and think through an argument. Many smart people don't go to uni and you can often tell, they are unorthodox. It.might work in their favour but a lot of times they find it harder then they should.

I understand what you are saying but not sure it's the case.

Being able to correctly structure an essay, which lets face it is about all that is taught, may help with forming a coherent argument but not sure how far that will get you in a career that was not related to the subject you had taken at uni, there's a bit more to most jobs than forming a structured argument.

I was always told that the main benefit to going to uni was not the subject or what you learnt but the effort and conmitment having gone to uni shows about the person, which again comes back to, you probably were what they were looking for before you even went to uni, you can just prove you are now, with your degree, no guessing involved.

I have to say though, that was probably more true a few years ago, now everyone goes to uni so god knows how they judge the good from the not so good.