Population changes.....

Graham_Devon

Seriously - I've read it all now.

Who on earth would want their own children to face a worse education and to throw them into a world of fierce competition by bringing loads of people from around the world to compete with them...

... all to save some money on their taxes today?

It's a sad, sad world.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Crashy_Time wrote: »

the debt/housing bubble still isn`t sustainable

Crashy_Time wrote: »

I paid 350 p.m for a small flat in 1998. Now I pay 400 p.m for a flat similar in size to the 1998 flat.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

When I encounter an over leveraged mug of any age nowadays I don`t bother saying anything any more.....there but for the pile of debt go I....

Crashy_Time wrote: »

I only understood that there had to be a crash (by joining HPC) around 7 years ago, so not that long really,

"Beware the man who spends his whole life learning and finds himself no wiser than before, he is full of murderous resentment for those who came about their ignorance the easy way"

~Kurt Vonnegut

lisyloo

and to throw them into a world of fierce competition by bringing loads of people from around the world to compete with them...

Please tell me why we can't get enough nurses in the UK?
My understanding is that we bring foreign nurses over because we can't get the skills here. Why is that?
No it's not done to save money. It's to keep the NHS on it's feet.

If we continue to train 50% to be graduates and we don't have that many graduate jobs then there will be dissapoinment and a need to get migrants in.
What's the point in that?
If I was a parent I wouldn't my child to be over-qualified and then left on the scrap heap.

Graham_Devon

lisyloo wrote: »

Please tell me why we can't get enough nurses in the UK?

Because the pay is pretty terrible considering the amount of training in the main.

Second reason, probably on a par with the first is the lack of training places. We've got a severe shortfall of places compared to the amount of students who want to train. Money has been directed away from training in this area.

Immigration hasn't solved our nursing problem as, due to the lower pay, many nurses who are mobile and happy to go anywhere in the world are going to Australia, Germany etc as the jobs pay more. Hence we still have a massive problem, even with a huge number of foreign born nurses.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Because the pay is pretty terrible considering the amount of training in the main.

Second reason, probably on a par with the first is the lack of training places. We've got a severe shortfall of places compared to the amount of students who want to train. Money has been directed away from training in this area.

Immigration hasn't solved our nursing problem as, due to the lower pay, many nurses who are mobile and happy to go anywhere in the world are going to Australia, Germany etc as the jobs pay more. Hence we still have a massive problem, even with a huge number of foreign born nurses.

it makes no sense to say that
-there is a shortage of training places
-there is more people wanting to train that places
-no-one wants to be a nurse because pay, conditions are rubbish


it would seem that the government is cutting training places rather than there is a shortage of people wanting to train.

lisyloo

Because the pay is pretty terrible considering the amount of training in the main.

So migrants are prepared to work for less than UK young people?
Well there's an issue there.
Most of us do not work in protected professions and need to compete globally. That the reality that some people in the UK need to wake up to.
Note I#m not saying I love it and I'm all for it, I'm saying it's a reality we need to deal with.

We've got a severe shortfall of places

That's not right. We need to invest in young people by training them for real jobs that are available.

Crashy_Time

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

"Beware the man who spends his whole life learning and finds himself no wiser than before, he is full of murderous resentment for those who came about their ignorance the easy way"

~Kurt Vonnegut

Well I learned that rent has gone nowhere for a very long time. Many Aberdeen landlords will be adjusting to new rent realities as we type no doubt, lets hope they learned the saving for a rainy day game

Aberdeenangarse

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Many Aberdeen landlords will be adjusting to new rent realities as we type no doubt, lets hope they learned the saving for a rainy day game

Well let's face it, they've been peeing over you for long enough :rotfl:

chucknorris

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Well I learned that rent has gone nowhere for a very long time. Many Aberdeen landlords will be adjusting to new rent realities as we type no doubt, lets hope they learned the saving for a rainy day game

Our rental profits have gone up significantly crashy, I've just looked at our inland revenue returns (for the land and property section) on this PC, and in the last 7 years the profit declared on our tax returns has doubled, helped by interest rates of course (but they aren't going up significantly for years to come). But the thing is that our mortgages are only about 13% of our total property value.

kabayiri

lisyloo wrote: »

...
Most of us do not work in protected professions and need to compete globally. That the reality that some people in the UK need to wake up to.
...

That's too simplistic.

In the mid 90s I had to buy in Indian IT resource as a matter of company policy, at a specific rate.

10 years later, the same skillset cost a bit over THREE times the 90s rate for the Indian IT resource.

Why? Simply because there wasn't enough local people with the required skills. The Indian company was simply leveraging their position.

Migrants will work for lower wages and for longer initially, to gain a foothold in the market.

Over time, they will increase their wage expectations.