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Population changes.....
HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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Another history of numbers show worth listening to.
-Of every 100 people in the census of 1841, about 42 were children.
-Today that has halved to 21 out of 100.
-Think of a room of 10 people, 6 adults and 4 children, a century ago. Now there are 8 adults and 2 children today.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, 50% of families had 6 or more people in it...... Today just 5% do.
-Given our total population compared to the mid 19th century, if demographics remained the same we'd have 14 million more children.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, about 5% of households were single person occupancy...... Today it's nearly 35%.
-Average people today are 5" taller, and significantly fatter, and live much longer than, their great-grandparents. The main reason why, is primarily because we're significantly richer.
-Since 1977, the proportion of British residents born abroad has doubled, from 6% to 12%. But even this this has not fully counteracted the significant change towards a more elderly population.
-Most of the changes to Britain, fewer children, longer lives, healthier people, flow from prosperity.... We are more prosperous now than our parents or grandparents or great-grandparents could ever dream of being.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hvn59
-Of every 100 people in the census of 1841, about 42 were children.
-Today that has halved to 21 out of 100.
-Think of a room of 10 people, 6 adults and 4 children, a century ago. Now there are 8 adults and 2 children today.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, 50% of families had 6 or more people in it...... Today just 5% do.
-Given our total population compared to the mid 19th century, if demographics remained the same we'd have 14 million more children.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, about 5% of households were single person occupancy...... Today it's nearly 35%.
-Average people today are 5" taller, and significantly fatter, and live much longer than, their great-grandparents. The main reason why, is primarily because we're significantly richer.
-Since 1977, the proportion of British residents born abroad has doubled, from 6% to 12%. But even this this has not fully counteracted the significant change towards a more elderly population.
-Most of the changes to Britain, fewer children, longer lives, healthier people, flow from prosperity.... We are more prosperous now than our parents or grandparents or great-grandparents could ever dream of being.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hvn59
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Given our total population compared to the mid 19th century, if demographics remained the same we'd have 14 million more children.........
...... and Loughton Monkey would have emigrated.
But the good news is, us boomers could probably screw the young workers for.... er.... about £25K in State Pension alone. without making a single one of them poorer.0 -
Loughton_Monkey wrote: »...... and Loughton Monkey would have emigrated..
To be fair I prefer migrants to children.
Not to mention, migrants are a net cost benefit as we don't have to pay for their birth, education and upbringing.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
42% of 3 million plus inner London residents were born outside the uk. The last few centuries have seen major wars and disruption in Europe but any thing comparable in terms of migration?I think....0
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »To be fair I prefer migrants to children.
Not to mention, migrants are a net cost benefit as we don't have to pay for their birth, education and upbringing.
how does this work ?
lets say we have a group of 25 year olds
half UK born bread and educated in the UK and the rest born abroad and educated abroad
Hamish seriously believes that the future goods and service produced by these people, is determined by which country they had previously been educated and not by the individuals themselves.0 -
Hamish seriously believes that the future goods and service produced by these people, is determined by which country they had previously been educated
No!
It was the net cost benefit (only requires reading skills) not future goods and services.
Why make stuff up when it's there in black and white.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Another history of numbers show worth listening to.
-Of every 100 people in the census of 1841, about 42 were children.
-Today that has halved to 21 out of 100.
-Think of a room of 10 people, 6 adults and 4 children, a century ago. Now there are 8 adults and 2 children today.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, 50% of families had 6 or more people in it...... Today just 5% do.
-Given our total population compared to the mid 19th century, if demographics remained the same we'd have 14 million more children.
-At the beginning of the 20th century, about 5% of households were single person occupancy...... Today it's nearly 35%.
-Average people today are 5" taller, and significantly fatter, and live much longer than, their great-grandparents. The main reason why, is primarily because we're significantly richer.
-Since 1977, the proportion of British residents born abroad has doubled, from 6% to 12%. But even this this has not fully counteracted the significant change towards a more elderly population.
-Most of the changes to Britain, fewer children, longer lives, healthier people, flow from prosperity.... We are more prosperous now than our parents or grandparents or great-grandparents could ever dream of being.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hvn59
Lifestyle for the ordinary person is way beyond what my Grandparents would have thought possible yes, the debt/housing bubble still isn`t sustainable though. It is also debateable whether ordinary people are happier now though than say fifty years ago?0 -
No!
It was the net cost benefit (only requires reading skills) not future goods and services.
Why make stuff up when it's there in black and white.
the economic value of an immigrant is the the goods and services they will produce in the future
exactly the same as equivalent native born.
the costs of the past are irrelevant as they are already spent and can't be spent again today.0 -
and can't be spent again today
Of course they can be spent again.
Over and over, there are new people being born and immigrating all the time.0 -
the costs of the past are irrelevant as they are already spent and can't be spent again today.
I think that is only true with a closed economy, in an open economy we can run up an external deficit and hence a future claim against our output because the effort spent on the teaching etc the child who is now a young adult could instead have been used to improve the balance of trade.I think....0 -
I think that is only true with a closed economy, in an open economy we can run up an external deficit and hence a future claim against our output because the effort spent on the teaching etc the child who is now a young adult could instead have been used to improve the balance of trade.
it is 100% true in the real present day.
a group of 25 year old brits have the same economic potential as a group of 25 year old immigrants.
we can't change the past but we can effect the future
what are you suggesting : we should take a pontius Pilot approach to native born and rely in the future on immigrants?0
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