CP Plus - Advice please

NinjaJ1

Firstly, thanks for all the great advice on here!
I've learned a lot from searching the forums but although I think I understand the new procedure for beating the parking scammers, I need a bit of advice from those in the know please.
I've received a 'ticket' from CP Plus for an incident at a Moto MSA.
The car is a company car & is leased. I was sent an NTK by my employer last week and I thought I'd cracked it - the incident was 20 days before the date on the NTK but I have since found out that the car is registered to the leasing company so they would have been contacted first and referred CP+ to my company, hence the delay I expect so that's one get out I can't use. Am I correct here?
I am not disputing the overstay at all - I was having a meeting with someone and ended up staying about 3 hours rather than the 2 that's allowed & just completely forgot to pay.
We spent money at Costa but paid with cash & don't have any receipts saved.
The charge of £90 (reduced to £50 within 14 days!!) is just utterly stupid for an extra hour so would I be best to go for an initial nice approach of 'I'll pay the £10 parking fee that I forgot to pay' and see how that is received?
If I quote the 'pre-estimation of loss' thing I've read about on here, then offering to make good the unpaid charge seems fair.
As it stands, CP+ still don't have my details but I really don't want any further correspondence going to my employer so should I advise them to give CP+ my details now & deal direct?
Any advice welcome please - it was so much simpler when you could just ignore these things!!
Thanks in advance.

NinjaJ1

Just trying to get this back onto Page 1!
Any advice from anyone please?
It's really the issue about getting my employer 'out of the chain' asap that I'm keen to get advice on.
I know the general advice on the forum is to not reveal the driver's identity but I can't expect the company to start a fight with the PPC on my behalf and I'm just not sure where to go next with this?
Is there any other information I need to post up? Thanks.

Buzby

Your leasing company may have paid it - or has your firm confirmed this is not the leasing company's policy?

Assuming they've left it up to you to sort out and have no worries about sanctions there is a host of valid excuses you could use in addition to treating the correspondence with the contempt it deserves.

As it is long past the formal appeal route, just sit it out and you may well find the letter chain ends without anyone paying anything.

NinjaJ1

The leasing company definitely haven't paid the 'ransom'.
I assume they must have received the original NTK & just told the PPC that the 'driver' was the company I work for, hence I was passed the NTK.
My fleet manager has just instructed me to 'get it sorted out' - hence my trying to find the best course of action.
Quote (Buzby): As it is long past the formal appeal route, just sit it out and you may well find the letter chain ends without anyone paying anything.
Is it past the formal appeal route? That's confused me - the incident was 23/10 and the NTK I've received is dated 12/11.
It was an ANPR job by the way - no 'ticket' stuck on the car.

NinjaJ1

I've now read right through to p.85 (!) of the parking forums to try & learn some more about this situation.
I'm not expecting everyone else on here to do my work for me!
If I've understood things correctly, because the car is leased and the leasing co is the registered keeper, the DVLA will have told CP+ that the 'driver' was my company (who the car is leased to). Thus there is no longer any 'keeper liability' for the leasing company - correct?
However, now that the PPC have my company's name, they will pursue them as being 'the driver' but obviously, the company weren't driving and cannot have entered into a contract with the PPC. Therefore the PPC can't take this any further against them. Also, as they are not the RK, there is no chance of my company having any sort of keeper liability.
My company have no legal obligation to disclose to the PPC who was actually driving at the time so they cannot pursue the matter any further.
Am I on the right track here please or have I misunderstood?
Thanks in advance!

Guys_Dad

Tell company you are dealing.

Send appeal to PPC saying you were driver and put in a soft appeal and ask for POPLA code if they refuse. Tell them you have only just had Ntk as it came via leasing company and your employers so you are in time for POPLA.

Copy letter to your company and that gets them off the hook.

What you choose to put in your appeal is up to you but in some ways that depends on how you think your company will view the appeal as they are getting a copy.

You can hit the PPC with the full monty of appeal points we use at POPLA hoping PPC backs down or a real soft didn't see the signs type of appeal.

If you mention the no genuine pre estimate of loss in your appeal, with current POPLA results, they may back off.

bod1467

Auto-correct issues again?

"Tell company you are dealing appealing". ??

"Tell company you are dealing with it". ??

NinjaJ1

Thanks very much for those tips - much appreciated. :beer:
It was the admission of being the driver that I was confused over!
I'll put a soft appeal letter together as suggested above & see how I get on. At least that gets my employer out of the loop.
Thanks again.

Guys_Dad

bod1467 wrote: »

Auto-correct issues again?

"Tell company you are dealing appealing". ??

"Tell company you are dealing with it". ??

Actually, for once not auto-correct issues. :rotfl:

Just shorthand as I meant the 2nd choice.

NinjaJ1

Got my letter drafted up now- Told them that I am the driver & have been passed on the NtK, thus absolving my employer from any further correspondence (employer copied in). Basically a soft appeal based on signage not being seen (& gently questioning their compliance with the MSA/DoT regs) but mainly it being an excessive charge and the amount being asked for not being a fair pre estimate of loss. Asked for POPLA code if refused.
Just wondering whether to send this from my home address with my actual name on it or to send on company headed paper with "A.Driver" as the signatory. As it stands, they still don't know me. Any final advice before I send it please?

Guys_Dad

Send with your name on it and no harm in giving your address that I can see.

Your company will be back in the frame if they can't supply a serviceable name and address and you need a reply from the PPC with your cancellation/POPLA code.