Prince Charles`s State Pension

theGrinch

mgdavid wrote: »

and what about you, what have your forbearers been up to? Much the same I suspect!

are all your remarks so ignorant?

what I have stated is unquestionable historical fact. what you have stated is total conjecture.

System

theGrinch wrote: »

what I have stated is unquestionable historical fact. what you have stated is total conjecture.

You mean that so long as you remain in blissful ignorance of any of your own ancestors' shortcomings, it's OK to sound off about other people's ?

Perhaps it doesn't matter what anyone's ancestors did or did not do long ago, and everyone should be judged by what they contribute to society now?
To take an example, let's start with your own life. Give us a brief summary of how you are earning your place in the lifeboat .

Freecall

FatherAbraham wrote: »

I think you presume too much. The cost of paying voluntary National-Insurance contributions to buy a full state pension is so low, in relation to the benefit received, that it's far more likely that his financial advisor will have ensured that these payments were made.

One of my French colleagues, who's planning to return to France after a decade of working in the UK, noticed that he'll only need to pay voluntary class-2 contribs at about £4/week for a year, to add about £4/week of income for the rest of his life when he retires. He's planning to load up on extra UK years, because they're such a bargain.

Hedging one's bets is a sensible strategy, and were the Prince to lose his other assets and incomes in uncertain times, it would be a consolation to still receive a safe income of £5,500 per annum.

In any case, the market value of such a pension is roughly £200,000 at present annuity rates, yet the voluntary contributions needed to qualify are a tiny fraction of that sum. Had the Prince's advisers not included this asset in his portfolio, they would have been pathologically negligent.

Only a fool ignores the value of the state pension.

Warmest regards,
FA

........ and don't forget the free healthcare included in the NI contributions.

What a bargain!

noh

Freecall wrote: »

........ and don't forget the free healthcare included in the NI contributions.

What a bargain!

NI contributions are not required to obtain free healthcare.

An individual could have paid NI all their working life and not qualify for free NHS treatment.

Access to the NHS is based on being in the country lawfully and being "ordinarily resident" here.

PuzzledDave

theGrinch wrote: »

The best donation Charles should he ever make it to King, is reform the Monarchy, to acknowledge the bloodythirsty history of his ancestors, theft of wealth and lands and grotesque fornication. Then hang his head in shame and beat his breast for absolution.

Meanwhile, he's surely the only man in history to have the same hairstyle since birth.

Ummm.. why on earth should anyone, prince or pauper apologise for the actions of their fathers or fathers fathers ?

theGrinch

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

You mean that so long as you remain in blissful ignorance of any of your own ancestors' shortcomings, it's OK to sound off about other people's ?

Perhaps it doesn't matter what anyone's ancestors did or did not do long ago, and everyone should be judged by what they contribute to society now?
To take an example, let's start with your own life. Give us a brief summary of how you are earning your place in the lifeboat .

Well if my ancestors had stolen vast wealth, I wouldnt be on here

By paying all taxes due without recourse to the taxpayer in any shape or form, which is doubtless more of a contribution than the majority of royals or the many of the sycophantics that blindly worship them have made.

Do I need to mention my military service, my father's national service in the 1950s or that of my grandfathers and great grandfathers in WW2 and WW1 respectively? and

To get it back to reality, the royals have accumulated wealth through land grabs among other things. This is not a controversial point. However, to ignore it or shout down those that raise it, only condones the theft and murder than often accompanied it.

atush

Go rant somewhere else.

If you are white, your ancestors probably DID steal land and wealth. From someone, somewhere. And with all that military service in your history, they probably killed a few people too (incl a few they should not have perhaps as is the way with armies).

Freecall

noh wrote: »

NI contributions are not required to obtain free healthcare.

An individual could have paid NI all their working life and not qualify for free NHS treatment.

Access to the NHS is based on being in the country lawfully and being "ordinarily resident" here.

And here was me thinking that this was just a 'fun' thread, not to be taken too seriously.

The pedants strike again.

:eek:

mgdavid

Freecall wrote: »

And here was me thinking that this was just a 'fun' thread, not to be taken too seriously.

The pedants strike again.

:eek:

if being a stickler for facts, truth and accurate advice makes me a pedant then I stand shoulder to shoulder with the rest of them...
being poor is not fun
being wrong is not fun
thinking you have rights to a benefit then finding out too late that you don't, is not fun.

theGrinch

atush wrote: »

Go rant somewhere else.

If you are white, your ancestors probably DID steal land and wealth. From someone, somewhere. And with all that military service in your history, they probably killed a few people too (incl a few they should not have perhaps as is the way with armies).

Maybe I can come to yours and we can rant together as it appears I am not in a club of one

I dont think a family history of military service is unusual for the last century, be it voluntary or conscription. Its why you have freedom today to post.

As with many members of the monarchy, they have NI contributions from their military days, but also via voluntary contributions - which anyone can make - so he is entitled to claim it, but bad PR to do anything else but donate it away.