Nil assessment

Crellow4

But you are clearly not living on nothing!

dirtystopout

Crellow4 wrote: »

But you are clearly not living on nothing!

I live on the rental income, what's your point?

Crellow4

My point is that you have money to live on but are not contributing to the upkeep of your son. Just because you (currently) legally have no obligation under CSA legislation doesn't mean you do not have a moral obligation to contribute. Incidentally, if your main occupation is a 'landlord', then your rental income can be assessed.

DUTR

Crellow4 wrote: »

My point is that you have money to live on but are not contributing to the upkeep of your son. Just because you (currently) legally have no obligation under CSA legislation doesn't mean you do not have a moral obligation to contribute. Incidentally, if your main occupation is a 'landlord', then your rental income can be assessed.

The OP was already contributing more than they should have, there was a greedy PWC with little morals that ran to the CSA, some are just never satisfied. :eek:

clearingout

DUTR wrote: »

The OP was already contributing more than they should have, there was a greedy PWC with little morals that ran to the CSA, some are just never satisfied. :eek:

why is a PWC automatically 'greedy' because they decide to use the CSA? If the OP is running around in a new car, is wearing new clothes every time she sees him, lives in a 7 bed detached house, just jetted in after 6 weeks in the Seychelles and is only paying a few pounds a week in maintenance, the PWC would have reasonable grounds to think that something, somewhere is a miss. It's not about 'greed', it's about what's fair and it's the CSA, along with legislation, which provides a bottom-line figure. We are all aware that it's perfectly possible to reduce a self employed assessement to zero because it's a feature of this forum and the experiences many of us bring to it - but unless you have those experiences, it is reasonable to assume that contact with the CSA will bring in more money with which to support your child.

Too often, PWC are labelled in this way without the fuller picture being understood (I am not suggesting the OP is fiddling in anyway, I have no idea from what he's written what his motives may or may not be). You should try bringing up your children on a low wage whilst your ex is swanning around in a new car being legally allowed to contribution nothing at all and then make a decision as to what is 'greedy'.

Cally_Smart

He is probably very concerned that the CSA take everything they are told by the pwc as gospel & are hauled through the process to prove otherwise(which is very stressful & time consuming) all the time being treated with utter disdain by some of staff at the CSA.

DUTR

clearingout wrote: »

why is a PWC automatically 'greedy' because they decide to use the CSA? If the OP is running around in a new car, is wearing new clothes every time she sees him, lives in a 7 bed detached house, just jetted in after 6 weeks in the Seychelles and is only paying a few pounds a week in maintenance, the PWC would have reasonable grounds to think that something, somewhere is a miss. It's not about 'greed', it's about what's fair and it's the CSA, along with legislation, which provides a bottom-line figure. We are all aware that it's perfectly possible to reduce a self employed assessement to zero because it's a feature of this forum and the experiences many of us bring to it - but unless you have those experiences, it is reasonable to assume that contact with the CSA will bring in more money with which to support your child.

Too often, PWC are labelled in this way without the fuller picture being understood (I am not suggesting the OP is fiddling in anyway, I have no idea from what he's written what his motives may or may not be). You should try bringing up your children on a low wage whilst your ex is swanning around in a new car being legally allowed to contribution nothing at all and then make a decision as to what is 'greedy'.

Hi Clearingout, thanks for replying to my post, pity Crellow4 didn't appear to have the spine to respond as my post was in response to their post.
The OP posted that they were contributing and the PWC wanted more or they will go to the CSA, well the threat was not idle and they did go to the CSA who subsequently awarded a NIL assesment. As a regular, you know some of my situation, I won't personally give money direct to my child's Mum, sadly she is foolish with money but even if she wasn't I still wouldn't want to give her money in her hand, anyways in the past I have done several foreign holidays a year, the headline brochure price is not the final price and trips DIY can save many £100s or £1000s, I can go to the Caribbean for two weeks for less than a week with the lads in Spain.

Just picked this up less than 4 weeks ago





The paint option was enough to buy another decent runaround and yes I had nearly every possible option available,
am I going to lose any sleep? No because I contribute what I'm supposed to, and thanks to the Mum going to the CSA I contribute downwards from near 50% (including travelling) to now 15% (well actually it's more than 15%), the child is not starving or cold, however I don't spend £80 a month on TV subscriptions and then moan about paying the energy bills or stable a horse yet not afford to put a coat on my back, we would all like more disposable and learning how to make good use of what we have is the key, not forever hoping somebody else will make up the ever increasing shortfalls.

dirtystopout

Crellow4 wrote: »

My point is that you have money to live on but are not contributing to the upkeep of your son. Just because you (currently) legally have no obligation under CSA legislation doesn't mean you do not have a moral obligation to contribute. Incidentally, if your main occupation is a 'landlord', then your rental income can be assessed.

Firstly, rental income can't be assessed, that's why I had a nil assessment, that's why she went for a variation, that's why she lied on the application form, that's why I'm having to share my business details with a draconian government agency.

If you want to get into moral obligation then where is her moral obligation? She convinced my Son that I didn't love him anymore and that I didn't want to see him anymore just so that he would stop coming to see me and then use it as an excuse when she told me that they were moving out of town to be closer to her then new husbands work. This isn't just about money, this is also about messing with people's emotions, including my Son's.

Are you a CSA Case Worker? You certainly talk like one, bias towards the PWC!

Crellow4

If your tax return shows you are a self employed landlord then your rental income certainly can be assessed.
If you are comfortable that you make no financial contribution to your son, I guess that's all that matters - ultimately it's you who will have to justify this to him when he asks what you did for him.

DUTR

Crellow4 wrote: »

If your tax return shows you are a self employed landlord then your rental income certainly can be assessed.

Agreed

If you are comfortable that you make no financial contribution to your son, I guess that's all that matters

Agreed but it's what he is assesed on that matters

- ultimately it's you who will have to justify this to him when he asks what you did for him.

Ultimately he won't have to justify to his son or anybody, we see that blatant bullying line on here often, earlier in another post you mentioned the review may ask this and ask that, in fact they don't £10 is going to get more grocery at Asda than it is at Waitrose, £10 is going to buy more energy on a dual fuel subscription than pre payment meters, saving up and buying out right is cheaper than buying on credit and paying interest etc etc, these soon add up and the green eyed monsters refuse to understand.